Angus Monfries

[Sismis]

I don't give a shit if he was coming back from injury. He is f****** shit, and anyone who thinks this bloke cuts the mustard for a 150 game player has shit for brains. Horrendously slow, poor field kick, consistently misses crucial easy shots for goal, weak, goes to ground too easy.

He is a disgrace. I don't ever want to see him play firsts again. Piss off.

He isn't having a great year but prior to this year he has been one of most effective kicks for goal also has a high efficiency with his possessions. Consistently misses crucial shots for goal? When? I remember him kicking some pretty handy ones against the tigers. Last year he had more tackles inside fifty than any other player.

He also played pretty much a lone hand in our final last year.


This is the first year since he's been at the club that he hasn't shown improvement.

[robbie67]

This is the first year since he's been at the club that he hasn't shown improvement.

He must have been f****** awful at the start then. He is a one trick pony who goes to ground too easy. By now he should have added an ability to spend time in the mid-field, and at least provide a rotation in there, but not Gussy, he is far too one dimensional for that.

I christen him Gnome 2.

[BenDoolan]

He isn't having a great year but prior to this year he has been one of most effective kicks for goal also has a high efficiency with his possessions.

High efficiency for disposals I guess you mean. Which isn't hard to achieve when you only have about 10 - 15 of them a match...

Consistently misses crucial shots for goal? When? I remember him kicking some pretty handy ones against the tigers.

He has missed numerous goals from simple shots - and at times when we most need them.

Last year he had more tackles inside fifty than any other player.

Might have something to do with the fact that he played the most games and never left the F50?

He also played pretty much a lone hand in our final last year.

Yes, we know, he's the Carlton specialist. If only we played Carlton over 22 rounds.

This is the first year since he's been at the club that he hasn't shown improvement.

Really? Can you explain how he has improved? Mediocre Monfries has this record so far;

2006 - 299 disposals @14.2 per game, 22 goals
2007 - 295 disposals @14.7 per game, 16 goals
2008 - 309 disposals @16.2 per game, 18 goals
2009 - 330 disposals @15.7 per game, 25 goals
2010 - 264 disposals @15.5 per game, 24 goals
2011 - 393 disposals @17.8 per game, 31 goals
2012 - 212 disposals @16.3 per game, 12 goals

There is stuff all difference since his 2006 season. If he has improved, you'd expect him to finish in the top 10 of the Crichton Medal a few times - especially when he plays most games of every season. I think he finished 10th one season and that is it.

You'd expect a player to have an increased output and increased impact each season they play. I don't see how Gus has matured or gained anything from his experience that shows he is on top of his game. IMO, the game is on top of him.

Where is he really at? Someone with almost 150 games under his belt you'd expect that they may be part of the leadership group. Well he aint. To me, he just rocks up on match days and sticks out his hand for his pay cheque. That's it.

[bomberdonnie]

This is the first year since he's been at the club that he hasn't shown improvement.

He must have been f****** awful at the start then. He is a one trick pony who goes to ground too easy. By now he should have added an ability to spend time in the mid-field, and at least provide a rotation in there, but not Gussy, he is far too one dimensional for that.

I christen him Gnome 2.

It is almost fair to call him Gnome

[jimmyc1985]

I don't give a shit if he was coming back from injury. He is f****** shit, and anyone who thinks this bloke cuts the mustard for a 150 game player has shit for brains. Horrendously slow, poor field kick, consistently misses crucial easy shots for goal, weak, goes to ground too easy.

He is a disgrace. I don't ever want to see him play firsts again. Piss off.

He isn't having a great year but prior to this year he has been one of most effective kicks for goal also has a high efficiency with his possessions. Consistently misses crucial shots for goal? When? I remember him kicking some pretty handy ones against the tigers. Last year he had more tackles inside fifty than any other player.

He also played pretty much a lone hand in our final last year.


This is the first year since he's been at the club that he hasn't shown improvement.

Read BD's post, it's spot on. Not that you'll ever admit someone in the red and black is shit, it's just not in your make up.

He missed an easy crucial shot for goal against Sydney (hit the post) to give us a chance in the third quarter, and he missed an easy one on Friday night to steady us against the Cats in the first quarter (hit the post again). He's crap, and that would be proven if we traded him - we would be doing well to get a third round pick.

[Sismis]

I have never pretended not to have a bias in my posts. When people decide to further lay the boot into a guy via multiple threads (including this 10 f****** pager) when he has come back from injury then I feel that bias is justified. Are you as happy to admit your bias? You are more than happy to hang a guy for a couple of errors while ignoring his record of over five years. He is having an ordinary year but prior to that he has been one of the best kicks for goal at the club. His possession tally, overall efficiency, goal kicking, goal kicking accuracy, tackling (it AVERAGED 5 a game last year) have all improved.

[j-mac31]

I don't give a shit if he was coming back from injury. He is f****** shit, and anyone who thinks this bloke cuts the mustard for a 150 game player has shit for brains. Horrendously slow, poor field kick, consistently misses crucial easy shots for goal, weak, goes to ground too easy.

He is a disgrace. I don't ever want to see him play firsts again. Piss off.

Ahhh-aahhh-ahhhh-meeeeen.

[BenDoolan]

I have never pretended not to have a bias in my posts. When people decide to further lay the boot into a guy via multiple threads (including this 10 f****** pager) when he has come back from injury then I feel that bias is justified. Are you as happy to admit your bias? You are more than happy to hang a guy for a couple of errors while ignoring his record of over five years. He is having an ordinary year but prior to that he has been one of the best kicks for goal at the club. His possession tally, overall efficiency, goal kicking, goal kicking accuracy, tackling (it AVERAGED 5 a game last year) have all improved.

I am happy to admit that I highlight this guy's ordinary efforts. Which, as you can see, is a regular occurrence.

Now I provided you with a breakdown of his season by season tallies - which shows that he has little to no improvement in his outputs. What I can't show is his breakdown of his efficiencies season by season. Are you happy to provide this?

I also told you that he has never made the top 10 Crichton Medal but for one oaccasion - despite playing virtually every game since 2006. This tells me that he is an inconsistent, insignificant piss ant most of the time - which is disturbing considering this is one of our most mediocre periods. And maybe that's why.

I'm not ignoring his record over 5 years. I'm highlighting them as largely insignificant and something which is hardly an improvement on his 2006 output when he was just a novice.

I'm sort of hoping you can provide some evidence to suggest that he's been an outstanding contributor other than saying his tackles are up. I have no bias towards Angus Monfries. I'm sure if you dig up posts from 2006 you will see that I was one of his biggest fans. It's just that he has never grown up or matured as a footballer. James Hird even alluded to this last season. And I reckon nothing has changed since then.

[Sismis]

I'll post the efficiencies when i get home, they are in the prospectus. But aside from that he has been one of our most effective goal kickers since he arrived. It's not saying much but he did win the goal kicking in our abysmal 2010 and kicked 30 last year.

I don't believe he is making the most out of talent and I'm not denying he has issues. But even his current form does not warrant the caning he is getting here.

[danstar84]

I don't think Monfries fits in with the way we play. Still seems to be in between an undersized lead up player, and crumber lacking speed. I think that there are better options. I'd prefer to give Reimers a decent stint down forward. Has worked very hard on his defensive pressure, and I think with a decent streak of games, he can provide more.

Winderlich is another player who is quite good up forward. Quick and skillful.

[Madden]

Monfries doesn't finish Top 10 in the B&F because he isn't in the best 10 players at Essendon. Luckily for him, AFL teams contain 22 players.

Monfries doesn't get 20-30 possessions a game. He doesn't predominently play in the midfield.

Monfries doesn't kick 40 goals a season. He isn't a Stephen Milne-esque goal sneak, no matter how badly people have wanted him to be.

Monfries is not a star player by any statistical measure.

Monfries has probably has been in the worst 5 or 6 players in the Essendon senior side most of the games he has played.

Monfires throughout his career has been selected to play in the senior side almost every game he's been available, by three different head coaches / coaching panels.

These are the facts.

[robbie67]

Still seems to be in between an undersized lead up player, and crumber lacking speed.

hmmmmm, very very Gnome like.

[Sismis]

Disposal efficiency. Goal kicking accuracy
2007. 74.6. 57.1
2008. 66.7. 64.3
2009. 72.7. 62.4
2010. 69.3. 70.6
2011. 77.1. 72.1

[BenDoolan]

Monfries doesn't finish Top 10 in the B&F because he isn't in the best 10 players at Essendon. Luckily for him, AFL teams contain 22 players.

Monfries doesn't get 20-30 possessions a game. He doesn't predominently play in the midfield.

Monfries doesn't kick 40 goals a season. He isn't a Stephen Milne-esque goal sneak, no matter how badly people have wanted him to be.

Monfries is not a star player by any statistical measure.

Monfries has probably has been in the worst 5 or 6 players in the Essendon senior side most of the games he has played.

Monfires throughout his career has been selected to play in the senior side almost every game he's been available, by three different head coaches / coaching panels.

These are the facts.

Can't argue with the facts!

[Gimps]

Still seems to be in between an undersized lead up player, and crumber lacking speed.

hmmmmm, very very Gnome like.

Except the Gnome was actually a bloody good player at certain stages of his career..

[BenDoolan]

Disposal efficiency. Goal kicking accuracy
2007. 74.6. 57.1
2008. 66.7. 64.3
2009. 72.7. 62.4
2010. 69.3. 70.6
2011. 77.1. 72.1

Cheers.

2011 was a good year for him - clearly his best season.

For the record, he's travelling at 52.0% accuracy this season (clearly his worst season for that since 2006). Not sure what his disposal efficiency is like at the minute...

[ZeroEffect]

Still seems to be in between an undersized lead up player, and crumber lacking speed.

hmmmmm, very very Gnome like.

Except the Gnome was actually a bloody good player at certain stages of his career..

Funny how you bring up stages in a Monfries thread. That used to be the one thing he was good at.

[Madden]

Monfries doesn't finish Top 10 in the B&F because he isn't in the best 10 players at Essendon. Luckily for him, AFL teams contain 22 players.

Monfries doesn't get 20-30 possessions a game. He doesn't predominently play in the midfield.

Monfries doesn't kick 40 goals a season. He isn't a Stephen Milne-esque goal sneak, no matter how badly people have wanted him to be.

Monfries is not a star player by any statistical measure.

Monfries has probably has been in the worst 5 or 6 players in the Essendon senior side most of the games he has played.

Monfires throughout his career has been selected to play in the senior side almost every game he's been available, by three different head coaches / coaching panels.

These are the facts.

Can't argue with the facts!

Then why is everyone in this thread still punching on?!

[j-mac31]

Disposal efficiency. Goal kicking accuracy
2007. 74.6. 57.1
2008. 66.7. 64.3
2009. 72.7. 62.4
2010. 69.3. 70.6
2011. 77.1. 72.1

Cheers.

2011 was a good year for him - clearly his best season.

For the record, he's travelling at 52.0% accuracy this season (clearly his worst season for that since 2006). Not sure what his disposal efficiency is like at the minute...

So much for improving every year.

[j-mac31]

Monfries doesn't finish Top 10 in the B&F because he isn't in the best 10 players at Essendon. Luckily for him, AFL teams contain 22 players.

Monfries doesn't get 20-30 possessions a game. He doesn't predominently play in the midfield.

Monfries doesn't kick 40 goals a season. He isn't a Stephen Milne-esque goal sneak, no matter how badly people have wanted him to be.

Monfries is not a star player by any statistical measure.

Monfries has probably has been in the worst 5 or 6 players in the Essendon senior side most of the games he has played.

Monfires throughout his career has been selected to play in the senior side almost every game he's been available, by three different head coaches / coaching panels.

These are the facts.

Can't argue with the facts!

Then why is everyone in this thread still punching on?!

Because the facts suggest that he should not be getting a game every week, but he does and seemingly can't come close to getting dropped for poor form.

Also because Sismis wants to continue talking him up.