Chappy & BJ

Ronny Rotten · Post by **Ronny Rotten** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:03 pm

According to today's paper Chappy's book will be released soon & Robbo indicates it would be "riveting reading".

Chappy has a crack at Goddard saying that BJ's "playing style is self centred & more destructive than constructive in relation to his teammates".

it was also mentioned, by Robbo, that there has been rumours about player unrest about BJ, with him being a competitive beast & a perfectionist. He hates seeing players waste their time & his. It"s why BJ had a falling out with Carlisle. He goes on to say that Carlisle punching Goddard in the head at training didn't help the situation.

Interesting, now we know why Carlisle is pissed off, apparently his attitudinal problems, irked Goddard enough to have a crack at him.
Now he is the Aint's (or Dawk's) problem...

Gimps · Post by **Gimps** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:14 pm

We need more players like BJ, and less softcocks that can't hack it.

BenDoolan · Post by **BenDoolan** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:31 pm

Gimps wrote:We need more players like BJ, and less softcocks that can't hack it.

Spot on.

BERT · Post by **BERT** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:40 pm

Gimps wrote:We need more players like BJ, and less softcocks that can't hack it.

Yep.

Ronny Rotten · Post by **Ronny Rotten** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:52 pm

Gimps wrote:We need more players like BJ, and less softcocks that can't hack it.

Agree, wholeheartedly

Windy_Hill · Post by **Windy_Hill** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:44 pm

BJ can shout all he likes at players not doing the right thing on the field

But he needs to set a better example - he played a lot of junk footy this year

BenDoolan · Post by **BenDoolan** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:13 pm

Windy_Hill wrote:BJ can shout all he likes at players not doing the right thing on the field

But he needs to set a better example - he played a lot of junk footy this year

He's set many good examples. Poor form doesn't mean poor professionalism.

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:25 pm

BERT wrote:
Gimps wrote:We need more players like BJ, and less softcocks that can't hack it.
Yep.

Bert - your Avatar selections are 2nd to none.

j-mac31 · Post by **j-mac31** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:37 pm

BenDoolan wrote:
Windy_Hill wrote:BJ can shout all he likes at players not doing the right thing on the field

But he needs to set a better example - he played a lot of junk footy this year
He's set many good examples. Poor form doesn't mean poor professionalism.

Indeed. He's been a damn good player for a long time. If softcocks can't hack his yelling, f*** off.

Sismis · Post by **Sismis** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:54 pm

j-mac31 wrote:
BenDoolan wrote:
Windy_Hill wrote:BJ can shout all he likes at players not doing the right thing on the field

But he needs to set a better example - he played a lot of junk footy this year
He's set many good examples. Poor form doesn't mean poor professionalism.
Indeed. He's been a damn good player for a long time. If softcocks can't hack his yelling, f*** off.

Was also a well known issue before drafting him.

robrulz5 · Post by **robrulz5** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:20 pm

Gimps wrote:We need more players like BJ, and less softcocks that can't hack it.

Yep, a little shouting never hurt anyone.

Rover99 · Post by **Rover99** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:09 am

Expect BJ to get back to his old form when Jobe returns and the Jakes piss off. (+J -J -J = BJ++)

Sismis · Post by **Sismis** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:52 pm

More from Chappy:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/pa ... 7581634079

"Everyone really hurt after the (Round 14) St Kilda loss. We were asking ourselves, how it got to the stage where we were losing games by 110 points. It was the simple things, like setting up the ground. It’s one of the easiest things to do in footy but we couldn’t even get that right. Where were our heads at? Basically, the boys had nothing left — nothing to draw on.

During 2015, I remember Jobe Watson explaining that when he was first made captain, he could dig deep and find that extra mile to drive him forward. But after the ASADA ordeal, he would reach down and there was nothing there, completely empty.

He said he had lost some of his competitive juices. He admitted that the drug problem had worn him down.

Whilst he was once focused on winning with uncompromised efforts, since then, it came more about clearing his name and his energy was devoted to repairing his and the club’s reputation. He had given so much of himself to that and had nothing left to be the best player and leader he could be. It was really sad to hear.
During the year when blokes were out of form or down in the dumps, Jobe always went out of his way to make sure they were okay, both personally and professionally. His fire had gone out so basically he cared more about them than he did for himself.

I learnt a lot about Jobe during the year. Clearly devastated by the whole mess but would still pick himself up and do what he had to for the team. I have a lot of respect for him."

DC2 · Post by **DC2** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:50 pm

Sismis wrote:More from Chappy:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/pa ... 7581634079

"Everyone really hurt after the (Round 14) St Kilda loss. We were asking ourselves, how it got to the stage where we were losing games by 110 points. It was the simple things, like setting up the ground. It’s one of the easiest things to do in footy but we couldn’t even get that right. Where were our heads at? Basically, the boys had nothing left — nothing to draw on.

During 2015, I remember Jobe Watson explaining that when he was first made captain, he could dig deep and find that extra mile to drive him forward. But after the ASADA ordeal, he would reach down and there was nothing there, completely empty.

He said he had lost some of his competitive juices. He admitted that the drug problem had worn him down.

Whilst he was once focused on winning with uncompromised efforts, since then, it came more about clearing his name and his energy was devoted to repairing his and the club’s reputation. He had given so much of himself to that and had nothing left to be the best player and leader he could be. It was really sad to hear.
During the year when blokes were out of form or down in the dumps, Jobe always went out of his way to make sure they were okay, both personally and professionally. His fire had gone out so basically he cared more about them than he did for himself.

I learnt a lot about Jobe during the year. Clearly devastated by the whole mess but would still pick himself up and do what he had to for the team. I have a lot of respect for him."

the part about jobe wasnt really a surprise to hear, as jobe comes across like that. even though his form may have slipped due to the asada burden, his off field leadership and care didnt seem to waiver. true leaders put others before themselves. this is why he should still be captain (*cough, gringo, cough)

kelvin_sheedy · Post by **kelvin_sheedy** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:16 pm

Problem with BJ is he doesn't practice what he preaches. He lacks accountability on the field and no matter how good he is he cannot afford to do that in a team game.

He is not Ablett jnr, Dangerfield, Judd. Only a few players can get away being completely unnacountable.

That fact that it pissed off more than just Chappy highlights he needs more work on his leadership.

His leadership was questioned at St Kilda also. He was seen as the disposable one and we picked him up.

We have only one real leader at the club and that's Dyson Heppell. He just goes about his business with no fuss and gets it done and never complains or whinges. Unfortunately most clubs have a handful of Heppell's but we only have one.

Crazyman · Post by **Crazyman** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:44 pm

I disagree re Heppell being our only leader...I would at least have Hooker & Hurley in there...

bomberdonnie · Post by **bomberdonnie** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:34 pm

Crazyman wrote:I disagree re Heppell being our only leader...I would at least have Hooker & Hurley in there...

Jobe Watson says hi.

Gimps · Post by **Gimps** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:19 pm

kelvin_sheedy wrote:Problem with BJ is he doesn't practice what he preaches. He lacks accountability on the field and no matter how good he is he cannot afford to do that in a team game.

He is not Ablett jnr, Dangerfield, Judd. Only a few players can get away being completely unnacountable.

That fact that it pissed off more than just Chappy highlights he needs more work on his leadership.

His leadership was questioned at St Kilda also. He was seen as the disposable one and we picked him up.

We have only one real leader at the club and that's Dyson Heppell. He just goes about his business with no fuss and gets it done and never complains or whinges. Unfortunately most clubs have a handful of Heppell's but we only have one.

The last part above... possibly the most ridiculous statement I've ever read on this site, and I've read some ****** doozies.

Crazyman · Post by **Crazyman** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:15 pm

bomberdonnie wrote:
Crazyman wrote:I disagree re Heppell being our only leader...I would at least have Hooker & Hurley in there...
Jobe Watson says hi.

Yes, but thought that was obvious and was thinking of the next group coming through...

kelvin_sheedy · Post by **kelvin_sheedy** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:00 pm

Too many excuses for this group and the last 10 years.

You don't have your captain go to watch the ashes in the middle of the season to get away from it. Circumstances may be a little out of the ordinary but the leader is supposed to lead, not take a break. Jobe has had a very poor few years in terms of leadership. The saga has affected him more than most.

I'd say Hooker is another leader. Hurley slowly getting there.

Goddard is not a genuine leader imo. He had about 2 great seaason of football and the rest his output doesn't match his reputation.

Chappy should also cop a bit of flak. In the article he states he would have said something when he was at Geelong but at Essendon he didn't. Well, we recruited him to be a leader but he couldn't bring what he offered at Geelong to us.

When you compare us to the better teams we fall way too short.

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