Top 5..

[BERT]

There is a funny parallel thread about who carlton hates the most. Guess whose number 1?

http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB3/vi ... =2&t=31545

Thats funny. One called us cap cheating media darlings. They are delusional.

[Crazyman]

There is a funny parallel thread about who carlton hates the most. Guess whose number 1?

http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB3/vi ... =2&t=31545

I liked the Robert Walls one...even he hates the SCUM...hahahahaha

[Gimps]

There is a funny parallel thread about who carlton hates the most. Guess whose number 1?

http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB3/vi ... =2&t=31545

Thats funny. One called us cap cheating media darlings. They are delusional.

What a f***wit..

[Western Red]

1. West Coast
2. Carlton
3.Collingwood
4. Port
5. Sydney

Can't say I hate Richmond, St Kilda, Bulldogs or NM - just feel sorry for them....

[Windy_Hill]

Carlton
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a putrid pile of pedophiliac smegma
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Hawthorn
Gold Coast
Greater Western Sydney
Springvale

[Madden]

Carlton.

Don't really 'hate' anyone else, but I also strongly dislike the Saints and the Pies, though I have a bit of respect for the way the Pies have gone about things in the past few years.

[Choppy]

1. Carlton - Dirty cheating, brown paper bag, crooks treated like gods there (Pratt, Elliott, Nicholls) cheating pricks

Daylight

2. Collingwood - Moron supporters,

3. Launceston - Biggest bunch of hypocrite supporters and the biggest whingers ever. How any of there supporters can sook about dirty players and snipers, when they have had more than any other club.

4. Melbourne - A club that doesn't stand for anything. Thinks they should be handed everything.

5. North - There inferiority complex is a disgrace. Like Melb they think they should be handed everything.

Bert, I know Carlton cheated the cap and got done for it and paid the price, but didn't Essendon get done for salary cap cheating in the 1990s? I don't remember the details but was hoping you could explain this for...wouldn't it be totally hypocritical to call them salary cap cheats, when we got done for the same thing!!???

Who tipped us over the edge? Was it the combined salaries of Paul Hills, Tony Antrobus and Ed Considine?

[BenDoolan]

1. Carlton - Dirty cheating, brown paper bag, crooks treated like gods there (Pratt, Elliott, Nicholls) cheating pricks

Daylight

2. Collingwood - Moron supporters,

3. Launceston - Biggest bunch of hypocrite supporters and the biggest whingers ever. How any of there supporters can sook about dirty players and snipers, when they have had more than any other club.

4. Melbourne - A club that doesn't stand for anything. Thinks they should be handed everything.

5. North - There inferiority complex is a disgrace. Like Melb they think they should be handed everything.

Bert, I know Carlton cheated the cap and got done for it and paid the price, but didn't Essendon get done for salary cap cheating in the 1990s? I don't remember the details but was hoping you could explain this for...wouldn't it be totally hypocritical to call them salary cap cheats, when we got done for the same thing!!???

Who tipped us over the edge? Was it the combined salaries of Paul Hills, Tony Antrobus and Ed Considine?

Some history....

Documented breaches of the salary cap regulations are as follows:

In 1987, Sydney were fined the maximum of $60,000 and forfeited their first round pick in the National Draft after a VFL investigation found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $1.15 million during the season.
In 1992, Sydney were fined $50,000 after it was found that they had failed to disclose payments made to former player Greg Williams during the 1990 season; Williams was suspended for six matches and fined the maximum of $25,000 for accepting the payments.[23]
Hawthorn was fined $28,500 in 1992 for a minor breach in relation to benefit payments.
Three clubs were fined for minor breaches in 1993: Melbourne ($13,450), Carlton ($9,750) and Footscray ($2,700).[24]
In 1994, Carlton were fined $50,000 after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $85,000 during the 1993 season.[25]
In 1995, Sydney were fined $20,000 after key documents relating to player financial details and star full-forward Tony Lockett's contract details were lost in the post by club officials, forcing the club, who had won the last three wooden spoons, to scratch from the 1995 pre-season draft and play the season two players short.[26] The club officials responsible were fired by the Swans one week later.
In 1996, Essendon were fined a record $638,250 ($250,000 in back tax and penalties, $112,000 for draft tampering and $276,250 for breaching the salary cap regulations), forfeited their first, second and third round picks in the National Draft and were excluded from the 1997 rookie and pre-season drafts after a joint Australian Tax Office and AFL investigation found that they had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations totalling $514,500 between 1991 and 1996.[27]
Ten other clubs were fined in 1996 for minor breaches in a crackdown following the Sydney incident the year before: Fitzroy, St Kilda and North Melbourne ($30,000 each), Richmond ($20,000), and Brisbane, Collingwood, the Western Bulldogs, Fremantle, Hawthorn and the West Coast Eagles ($10,000 each).
In 1997, Port Adelaide was fined $50,000 for late lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of five players.[28]
In 1998, the West Coast Eagles were fined $100,000 and forfeited their third round pick in the National Draft after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by a total of $165,000 during the 1997 and 1998 seasons.
Geelong were fined $77,000 in 1998 and excluded from the 1999 pre-season draft after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $154,000 during the 1997 season.
Four other clubs were fined in 1998 for minor breaches after an AFL investigation: Collingwood ($47,500), Hawthorn ($45,000), Richmond ($21,000) and the Western Bulldogs ($5,300). Collingwood and Richmond were also excluded from the 1999 pre-season draft.[29]
In 1999, Melbourne were fined $600,000 and forfeited their first, second and third round picks in the National Draft for two years after it was found that they had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations totalling $810,000 between 1995 and 1998. Fremantle were handed Melbourne's first round pick for the 1999 National Draft as compensation for losing ruckman Jeff White to Melbourne.
Two other clubs were fined in 1999 for minor breaches: Carlton ($43,800) and Geelong ($20,000); Carlton were also excluded from the 2000 pre-season draft.[30]
In 2000, Fremantle were fined $54,400 and excluded from the 2001 pre-season draft for a string of minor breaches. Fremantle's poor 2001 season (in which it won the wooden spoon) has been put down to this penalty.
Four other clubs were fined in 2000 for minor breaches: North Melbourne ($35,000), Richmond ($10,000), Brisbane ($7,500), and Melbourne ($5,000).[31]
In 2001, Carlton were fined $125,150, forfeited their second and third round picks in the 2001 National Draft and were excluded from the 2002 pre-season draft after it was found that they had failed to disclose payments totaling $239,900 to captain Craig Bradley and incorrectly lodged an additional services agreement document during the 1998 and 1999 seasons.
Three other clubs were fined in 2001 for minor breaches: Richmond and North Melbourne ($20,000 each) and Melbourne ($5,000).[32]
In 2002, Carlton were fined a record $987,500 and forfeited their priority picks in the National Draft, their first and second round picks in the National Draft for two years and were excluded from the 2003 pre-season draft after an AFL investigation found that they had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations totaling $1.37 million between 1998 and 2001; ruckman Matthew Allan was suspended for five matches and fined $10,000 for accepting undisclosed payments from club officials. Carlton struggled for seven years as it recovered both on and off the field from these significant penalties, finishing no higher than 11th in 2004 and winning their first-ever wooden spoons in 2002, 2005 and 2006. After the draft ban expired, Carlton received a multitude of priority and first round draft picks.[33]
Fremantle were fined $80,000 in 2002 for late and incorrect lodgement of documents relating to the financial and contract details of four players.
In 2003, Brisbane were fined $260,000 for late lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of 26 players, and the Western Bulldogs were fined $30,000 for late lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of three players after a crackdown in light of the Carlton scandal the year before.
Essendon were fined $85,000 in 2003 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $106,000 during the 2002 season.[34]
In 2004, Melbourne were fined $30,000 for incorrect lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of three players.[35]
In 2005, St Kilda were fined $40,000 for a minor breach in regards to minor sponsor Xbox providing players with the game machines.[36] Brian Waldron, Matt Hanson and Cameron Vale, the club's CEO, CFO and Financial Officer at the time, are currently under investigation by ASIC, the Australian Tax Office, and the Victorian State Revenue Office in relation to the Melbourne Storm salary cap scandal in the NRL.
In 2006, St Kilda were fined $40,000 for late lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of four players.[37]
Richmond was fined $10,000 in 2007 for late lodgement of a document relating to the contract and financial details of a player.[38]
Two clubs were fined in 2008 for minor breaches: Adelaide ($20,000) and St Kilda ($10,000).

You'd have to admit, 5 separate breaches is a bit rich, yeah?

[Choppy]

Thanks for that info, Ben. Cheers.

To me it looks like Carlton were fined about $1.2 million total compared to our $720k total...still a significant breach and our's in 1996 was a record at the time. Along with Melbourne, Ess and Carl look the worst offenders. Bert's comments about Carlton being cheats appears to be a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black wouldn't you think?

[BenDoolan]

Thanks for that info, Ben. Cheers.

To me it looks like Carlton were fined about $1.2 million total compared to our $720k total...still a significant breach and our's in 1996 was a record at the time. Along with Melbourne, Ess and Carl look the worst offenders. Bert's comments about Carlton being cheats appears to be a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black wouldn't you think?

Yep, we were stupid and dumb in the 90's - particularly when we passed up the opportunity to come clean during the amnesty period.

Danny Corcoran copped the heavy end of the blame for that I believe. And now he's back at the club. But there might be two sides to that story. Certainly is according to Hird.

[swoodley]

The point regarding Essendon is inaccurate if I recall correctly.

The breaches occurred in 1996 but the investigation dod not happen for a few years after that and penalties were not imposed until the 1999 draft from memory.

I think it was the draft where we got Hille with our first pick at number 40.

[s'dreams]

1. Carlton - Dirty cheating, brown paper bag, crooks treated like gods there (Pratt, Elliott, Nicholls) cheating pricks

Daylight
You'd have to admit, 5 separate breaches is a bit rich, yeah?

These are just the ones they were caught over .... just ask Paddles about his printing business and his and another's wife being paid big bucks for a job that (1) they couldn't do because they weren't up to it and (2) they were elsewhere at the time ... also ask just who bailed Nichols out of the Bank embezzlement thing and got the police charges dropped (going back a long way I know - but just because the then Prime Minister had his own car spot on the wing at Princess Park) ...

[Crazyman]

Nice bit of info Ben. I just find it funny that when they did get done, they 'won' their first spoon and this was the year immediately following their breaches...