Dyson SIGNS

keri · Post by **keri** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:15 pm

ANOTHER chance.

You're on your last legs.

Show us what you're made of, and you'd better hope like hell you repay the huge confidence your coach has shown in you.

andrewb · Post by **andrewb** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:27 pm

The things that piss me off most about this are:

1. There is bugger all chance that Dyson is going to make it next year. He doesn't have the ticker for AFL.

2. Playing Dyson (who can't go forward or back and will only ever be a winger) will mean that we're keeping guys like Reimers, Dempsey and Houli out of the team. Not to mention taking up space on the interchange bench that we could use to give young midfielders like Hocking and Lonergan a go.

3. Next year we're going to have to delist again. There are no obvious candidates - JJ and Lee with possible retirements of Mal and Fletch are the only ones that come to mind. That means we're going to have to delist other guys that deserve to be there a hell of a lot more or else miss out on kids in the draft.

Two years is ridiculous.

keri · Post by **keri** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:31 pm

I would have been happier with one, I agree.

It's a done deal now, so let's hope he pulls his finger out!

Rossoneri · Post by **Rossoneri** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:48 pm

andrewb wrote:The things that piss me off most about this are:

1. There is bugger all chance that Dyson is going to make it next year. He doesn't have the ticker for AFL.

2. Playing Dyson (who can't go forward or back and will only ever be a winger) will mean that we're keeping guys like Reimers, Dempsey and Houli out of the team. Not to mention taking up space on the interchange bench that we could use to give young midfielders like Hocking and Lonergan a go.

3. Next year we're going to have to delist again. There are no obvious candidates - JJ and Lee with possible retirements of Mal and Fletch are the only ones that come to mind. That means we're going to have to delist other guys that deserve to be there a hell of a lot more or else miss out on kids in the draft.

Two years is ridiculous.

No, having players like MJ, JJ in the team is taking up the spots of others.

Go through our team and we have quite a number of older players in the team taking younger spots. Thankfully most have been moved on already, with a couple more to go.

keri · Post by **keri** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:51 pm

The difference being that MJ and JJ for a long time WERE our midfield. Weve gotten tremendous value out of them in the past.

Dyson has given us nothing. He doesn't even have past performance to back us up. At least the J's have given heart and soul to us and run themselves into the ground. Dyson can't say the same.

keri · Post by **keri** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:57 pm

Filthy, I would absolutely love you to be right. I really would.

He's signed up now, so let's see what he can do.

Rossoneri · Post by **Rossoneri** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:59 pm

Hard to give it your all when you play one game in 3 and spend 70% on the bench.

andrewb · Post by **andrewb** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:01 pm

I do find it quite hilarious that people consider Lucas and Lloyd to be the un-tradeable heart and soul of the club, but consider MJ and JJ to be dispensable. Go back and watch some tapes of 1998-2005 and watch those two smash themselves contest after contest and drive the ball forward.

Keri is spot on again - don't get a big head though

- Dyson has done nothing. The club owes a massive debt to the Johnson boys for their role in the 2000 premiership and for ruining their bodies carrying the team in 2001-2005. I'd prefer that the club paid a $200k pension to MJ and told him to spend a year as a depth player toughening up the kids than contracting a soft receiver who's done nothing for an extra two.

bomberdonnie · Post by **bomberdonnie** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:01 pm

Rossoneri wrote:Hard to give it your all when you play one game in 3 and spend 70% on the bench.

Zactly

keri · Post by **keri** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:02 pm

And if he only gets that much game time, why isn't he using that as an opportunity to REALLY show the coaching staff what he's made of? He doesn't fight for it, he should be all the more hungry for that ball if he only gets that little chance to get at it.

jimmyc1985 · Post by **jimmyc1985** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:04 pm

andrewb wrote:The things that piss me off most about this are:

1. There is bugger all chance that Dyson is going to make it next year. He doesn't have the ticker for AFL.

2. Playing Dyson (who can't go forward or back and will only ever be a winger) will mean that we're keeping guys like Reimers, Dempsey and Houli out of the team. Not to mention taking up space on the interchange bench that we could use to give young midfielders like Hocking and Lonergan a go.

3. Next year we're going to have to delist again. There are no obvious candidates - JJ and Lee with possible retirements of Mal and Fletch are the only ones that come to mind. That means we're going to have to delist other guys that deserve to be there a hell of a lot more or else miss out on kids in the draft.

Two years is ridiculous.

Agree to some extent - i would've preferred he only be given one year for the reasons you've mentioned.

But we won't be delisting anyone next year who doesn't deserve to be delisted. We've got one more serious year of delisting to go next year to undo the rubbish list management of 1999-2005 according to my assessment of things as they presently stand. Here's the guys that (assuming they remain on our list this year) represent potential retirements or delistings next year, with a rating alongside their name out of 10 judging by how likely i think they are to be gone by the end of next year:

JJ: 10/10.
Fletcher: 5/10 - 33 by the end of next year, so i reckon it's 50/50 whether he plays on in 2009, probably determined by form and injuries in 2008.
Peverill: 8/10. Already looks borderline this year, will probably be gone next year even if he plays reasonably well by his standards.
Michael: 9/10 - publicly stated he's unlikely to play on beyond 2008.
Lee: 8.5/10 - Has shown very little, contract expires end of next year, will be gone if he doesn't show something.
Lonergan: 7/10 - given one more year to show something, will battle if he doesn't show something next year given he was a late draft pick so our expectations aren't high.
Bradley: 3.5/10 - May be gone by the end of this year in the PSD to Freo, but if not, and if we offer him one year instead of two years, and if he doesn't improve next year, he could be gone by the end of next years (lots of "ifs" in that scenario).
Johns: 6.5/10 - Contracted until the end of 2008, enough excuses. Show something in 2008 or he'll be out the door.
MJ: 9/10 - May be gone by the end of this year in the PSD (or we could still delist him), but if not, he'll probably play a mixture of VFL and AFL next year and retire by the end of 2008.

So rest assured, i doubt we'll be delisting anyone next year who doesn't have it coming to them.

Rossoneri · Post by **Rossoneri** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:06 pm

keri wrote:And if he only gets that much game time, why isn't he using that as an opportunity to REALLY show the coaching staff what he's made of? He doesn't fight for it, he should be all the more hungry for that ball if he only gets that little chance to get at it.

Because its hard coming on and off the bench every 5 minutes. You need to pick up the speed of the game.

keri · Post by **keri** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:12 pm

I appreciate that as far as speed, agility and running cold go. But I'm not talking about skills. I'm not talking about him chasing blokes down, or not being quick enough. I'm talking about his commitment to the ball, and to the chase. Lucas is not a quick bloke, but time after time you see him give chase, even when everyone knows - including him - that bar a miracle, he ain't getting there. But he tries. And that's all I ask.

tom9779 · Post by **tom9779** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:31 pm

andrewb wrote:Two years?

Please tell me that's a joke.

Who's his manager? I'll hire the bastard.

Ricky Dyson signed for 2 years.

have a look at essendonfc.com.au

uptick · Post by **uptick** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:42 pm

tom9779 wrote:
andrewb wrote:Two years?

Please tell me that's a joke.

Who's his manager? I'll hire the bastard.
Ricky Dyson signed for 2 years.

have a look at essendonfc.com.au

Unfortunately it's true. I guess he would never have stayed for 1 with us v's 3 at freo, so it was 2 or see ya later.??.

BenDoolan · Post by **BenDoolan** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:45 pm

Rossoneri wrote:
keri wrote:And if he only gets that much game time, why isn't he using that as an opportunity to REALLY show the coaching staff what he's made of? He doesn't fight for it, he should be all the more hungry for that ball if he only gets that little chance to get at it.
Because its hard coming on and off the bench every 5 minutes. You need to pick up the speed of the game.

The guy has speed when he has the ball, and is one of the slowest when he's without it. That's why he doesn't get game time, and that's why he's dropped more often than not. He simply doesn't chase (and he's got the pace to do so), and he doesn't want to get dirty. He needs to earn a spot in the team and not just be gifted games. That's what Knights says he's gonna do with this list, and I hope he carries through with it.

Post by **danstar84** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:59 pm

I want to see him play under Knights. Will see how he goes in the first half of next year. I think Dyson is a player (among others) who Sheedy screwed most of the time.

Post by **Megan** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:26 pm

I am pleased. I have faith in you Vacuum, now don't let me down!

Mrs Mercuri · Post by **Mrs Mercuri** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:07 pm

Little surprised that Dyson has signed for two years, i would have thought that now was the time to trade him for another second round pick.

I have a feeling that MJ will get the chop as no one seemed interested in him and Pev deserves another year on the list. Bradley will probably remain uncontracted and end up in the PSD.

rockhole · Post by **rockhole** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:35 pm

I am surprised at 2 years, but now that he is on board, let's see what he has got.

We have seen flashes but nothing substantial and yet he has been given every opportunity.

If nothing else, he need to bulk up. Too easily pushed off the ball.