Wallpapering the Cracks

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kelvin_sheedy wrote:Rohan makes a good point. He is saying the club doesn't want to make the harsh decisions on players after what has happened the last 2 years.
Very telling few weeks for our club. Lucky we have the safety of the small Etihad this week to paper over more cracks.
We are all very sorry about the last 2 years and the deleterious affects on our players.

But the EFC will go on notwithstanding and if harsh decisions need be taken....f**king make them. EFC is a $100m pa business....start acting like one.

And 2015 is a long, long time ago. In 1984 we won after a 19 year break. Anyone see us winning one in the next 4 years?
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kelvin_sheedy wrote:Rohan makes a good point. He is saying the club doesn't want to make the harsh decisions on players after what has happened the last 2 years.
Very telling few weeks for our club. Lucky we have the safety of the small Etihad this week to paper over more cracks.
We are all very sorry about the last 2 years and the deleterious affects on our players.

But the EFC will go on notwithstanding and if harsh decisions need be taken....f**king make them. EFC is a $100m pa business....start acting like one.

And 2015 is a long, long time ago. In 1984 we won after a 19 year break. Anyone see us winning one in the next 4 years?
I thought everything was fine and we were just waiting for a few superstar players to come back into the team?
Which is it?
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Flip wrote:Is anyone starting to think about the Coaching Staff?
No, like you I'm extremely confident that once Hocking, Myers and Kommer are back we will be unbeatable.
It was also the umpires' fault.
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Flip wrote:Is anyone starting to think about the Coaching Staff?
Yeah, who have we tried since Sheeds went, Knights didn't work, Hird and Thompson haven't worked, but it ain't just the senior coach, who have we got back as assistant coaches?

Primarily former Essendon players who played under Sheeds; Harvey, O'Donnell, Wellman, Wallis etc. The ones that came from outside Essendon are Neeld, a failed senior AFL coach, Craig, a failed senior AFL coach, Egan, who is played entirely under Bomber.

The only blokes who have come from well outside our system have been Goodwin and Bassett.

Bassett is the only assistant coach we have who has experience in a recently successful football setup; coaching Norwood to back-to-back Flags in the SNAFL.

Has their been too much of a focus by the Club in getting Essendon people back to the club. Not just in the coaching setup, but after we finally f***** off Peter Jackson, we headhunted one of the best CEO's in the comp and got Ian Robson over from the Hawks and he played a vital role in getting TVSC project off the ground. Went he fell on his sword who did we get in, Ray Gunston (obviously part of the Essendon boys club) as interim CEO and then after an 18 month search we promoted from within.

Was David Evans made President because he was Ron's son?

When you haven't been successful for 15 years maybe it is time to look outside your own club to fill your most important positions?

The Hawks didn't turn around 20 years of ineptitude and pathetic on field displays by appoint a Hawks person as Senior coach, they went and got a good man manager who came from a successful system as an assistant coach. Hell going back we didn't turn around 20 years of ineptitude from the mid 60s to the mid 80s by getting another former Essendon player back as coach, we went and got a tough non-compromising bastard who had played in a successful system at Richmond.

Was David Evans made President of the club be
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ealesy wrote:
Flip wrote:Is anyone starting to think about the Coaching Staff?
Yeah, who have we tried since Sheeds went, Knights didn't work, Hird and Thompson haven't worked, but it ain't just the senior coach, who have we got back as assistant coaches?

Primarily former Essendon players who played under Sheeds; Harvey, O'Donnell, Wellman, Wallis etc. The ones that came from outside Essendon are Neeld, a failed senior AFL coach, Craig, a failed senior AFL coach, Egan, who is played entirely under Bomber.

The only blokes who have come from well outside our system have been Goodwin and Bassett.

Bassett is the only assistant coach we have who has experience in a recently successful football setup; coaching Norwood to back-to-back Flags in the SNAFL.

Has their been too much of a focus by the Club in getting Essendon people back to the club. Not just in the coaching setup, but after we finally f***** off Peter Jackson, we headhunted one of the best CEO's in the comp and got Ian Robson over from the Hawks and he played a vital role in getting TVSC project off the ground. Went he fell on his sword who did we get in, Ray Gunston (obviously part of the Essendon boys club) as interim CEO and then after an 18 month search we promoted from within.

Was David Evans made President because he was Ron's son?

When you haven't been successful for 15 years maybe it is time to look outside your own club to fill your most important positions?

The Hawks didn't turn around 20 years of ineptitude and pathetic on field displays by appoint a Hawks person as Senior coach, they went and got a good man manager who came from a successful system as an assistant coach. Hell going back we didn't turn around 20 years of ineptitude from the mid 60s to the mid 80s by getting another former Essendon player back as coach, we went and got a tough non-compromising bastard who had played in a successful system at Richmond.

Was David Evans made President of the club be
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ealesy wrote:
Flip wrote:Is anyone starting to think about the Coaching Staff?
Yeah, who have we tried since Sheeds went, Knights didn't work, Hird and Thompson haven't worked, but it ain't just the senior coach, who have we got back as assistant coaches?

Primarily former Essendon players who played under Sheeds; Harvey, O'Donnell, Wellman, Wallis etc. The ones that came from outside Essendon are Neeld, a failed senior AFL coach, Craig, a failed senior AFL coach, Egan, who is played entirely under Bomber.

The only blokes who have come from well outside our system have been Goodwin and Bassett.

Bassett is the only assistant coach we have who has experience in a recently successful football setup; coaching Norwood to back-to-back Flags in the SNAFL.

Has their been too much of a focus by the Club in getting Essendon people back to the club. Not just in the coaching setup, but after we finally f***** off Peter Jackson, we headhunted one of the best CEO's in the comp and got Ian Robson over from the Hawks and he played a vital role in getting TVSC project off the ground. Went he fell on his sword who did we get in, Ray Gunston (obviously part of the Essendon boys club) as interim CEO and then after an 18 month search we promoted from within.

Was David Evans made President because he was Ron's son?

When you haven't been successful for 15 years maybe it is time to look outside your own club to fill your most important positions?

The Hawks didn't turn around 20 years of ineptitude and pathetic on field displays by appoint a Hawks person as Senior coach, they went and got a good man manager who came from a successful system as an assistant coach. Hell going back we didn't turn around 20 years of ineptitude from the mid 60s to the mid 80s by getting another former Essendon player back as coach, we went and got a tough non-compromising bastard who had played in a successful system at Richmond.

Was David Evans made President of the club be
Didn't we do that when we got Bomber on board? Had coached Geelong to 3 of the past 4 grand finals for 2 flags. It would be like getting Clarkson now to be senior assistant. It was a massive coup.

You forgot that Alan Richardson and Brendon McCartney were also assistant coaches at Essendon.

David Evans was a great choice at the time. Look at his business career. It's a massive shame that he decided to toe the AFL line and not fight like hell for Essendon, but remember the president before him? Imagine Ray in charge over the last 3 years.
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BERT wrote:
ealesy wrote:
Flip wrote:Is anyone starting to think about the Coaching Staff?
Yeah, who have we tried since Sheeds went, Knights didn't work, Hird and Thompson haven't worked, but it ain't just the senior coach, who have we got back as assistant coaches?

Primarily former Essendon players who played under Sheeds; Harvey, O'Donnell, Wellman, Wallis etc. The ones that came from outside Essendon are Neeld, a failed senior AFL coach, Craig, a failed senior AFL coach, Egan, who is played entirely under Bomber.

The only blokes who have come from well outside our system have been Goodwin and Bassett.

Bassett is the only assistant coach we have who has experience in a recently successful football setup; coaching Norwood to back-to-back Flags in the SNAFL.

Has their been too much of a focus by the Club in getting Essendon people back to the club. Not just in the coaching setup, but after we finally f***** off Peter Jackson, we headhunted one of the best CEO's in the comp and got Ian Robson over from the Hawks and he played a vital role in getting TVSC project off the ground. Went he fell on his sword who did we get in, Ray Gunston (obviously part of the Essendon boys club) as interim CEO and then after an 18 month search we promoted from within.

Was David Evans made President because he was Ron's son?

When you haven't been successful for 15 years maybe it is time to look outside your own club to fill your most important positions?

The Hawks didn't turn around 20 years of ineptitude and pathetic on field displays by appoint a Hawks person as Senior coach, they went and got a good man manager who came from a successful system as an assistant coach. Hell going back we didn't turn around 20 years of ineptitude from the mid 60s to the mid 80s by getting another former Essendon player back as coach, we went and got a tough non-compromising bastard who had played in a successful system at Richmond.

Was David Evans made President of the club be
Didn't we do that when we got Bomber on board? Had coached Geelong to 3 of the past 4 grand finals for 2 flags. It would be like getting Clarkson now to be senior assistant. It was a massive coup.

You forgot that Alan Richardson and Brendon McCartney were also assistant coaches at Essendon.

David Evans was a great choice at the time. Look at his business career. It's a massive shame that he decided to toe the AFL line and not fight like hell for Essendon, but remember the president before him? Imagine Ray in charge over the last 3 years.
Not surprisingly you've forgotten about Neil McKissock who was President between Ray and David.

I think the issue with Bomber is, he was shot when he left Geelong, I thinks he was jack of AFL coaching fullstop. I think he came back purely because he wanted to help Hird (I don't think anyone else would have convinced him Bomber to come back), he didn't realise how bad the situation was at Essendon and the massive job facing him, and he still had a sense of loyalty to fix the club.

On the flip side, if Bomber wasn't at the club, would we have been able to convince The Weapon to come to us, if The Weapon doesn't come, Dank doesn't get his foot in the door, and the saga never happens.
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ealesy wrote:The ones that came from outside Essendon are Neeld, a failed senior AFL coach, Craig, a failed senior AFL coach, Egan, who is played entirely under Bomber.
Isn't Neeld development coach? It's a bit hard to blame him for what's going on on the field now and he was highly rated at Collingwood for his work with the young players.

Egan was an AA CHB in his final playing year.

And Craig David isn't an actual coach.
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mdso wrote:Unfortunately, pretty spot on Rohan. I have a dreadful feeling our season is shot. This saga will effect our club for some time to come. Thanks AD and the AFL and also not forgetting the EFC Board. Another ten years in the bloody wilderness, while our players recover.

All I can say is our collective karma must be totally farked.
What's the saga got to do with the shit disposal or the garbage game style?

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Any more wallpaper? Those f****** cracks have just gotten bigger.

JOE DANIHER - can't kick for shit. LOL'd when he was on a zero degree angle and tried to kick a goal with a drop punt. Just, WTF???? Hi Lloydy!

BRENT STANTON - pulls out when he could have gone harder to contest a mark on the wing in the first quarter. What's new you COWARD. Lines up on Motlop on the wing in the 2nd Q and just runs off in his own dream world while Motlop drifts forward to kick 2 goals. You are a bloody disgrace.

BELLCHAMBERS - is such a dopey bastard. How does he actually get out of bed in the morning?

GAMEPLAN - again, what is this SHIT? Hirdy, sort it out or f*** off. Garbage.

"ALMOST" ESSENDON - almost take a mark, almost kick a goal, almost lay a tackle, almost break a tackle, almost pin point a pass, almost get a clearance, almost look like footballers...
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As i said a few weeks ago, i've been avoiding poking too much fun at Carlton fans because i think we're not that far ahead of them. The evidence is now irrefutable. A few more decent thumpings at the hands of West Coast and Hawthorn over the next few weeks will actually be a good thing: at 4-8 the season is well and truly dusted, and the mandate for change will be easier to accept for everyone.

With draft sanctions now having been served, we need to hit the draft hard this year and turn the list over heavily and pray to god that we nail it. There's easily 8-9 changes without making any hard calls: Fletcher, Chapman, Winderlich and Stanton to retire, and then get rid of guys whose contracts expire at the end of the year who've been on the list for years and achieved nothing, namely: Brown, Dempsey, Pears, and O'Brien/Dalgleish don't appear to have what it takes.

If we fluff this year's draft and/or trades, we will be Carlton-esque by about 2017.
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jimmyc1985 wrote:As i said a few weeks ago, i've been avoiding poking too much fun at Carlton fans because i think we're not that far ahead of them. The evidence is now irrefutable. A few more decent thumpings at the hands of West Coast and Hawthorn over the next few weeks will actually be a good thing: at 4-8 the season is well and truly dusted, and the mandate for change will be easier to accept for everyone.

With draft sanctions now having been served, we need to hit the draft hard this year and turn the list over heavily and pray to god that we nail it. There's easily 8-9 changes without making any hard calls: Fletcher, Chapman, Winderlich and Stanton to retire, and then get rid of guys whose contracts expire at the end of the year who've been on the list for years and achieved nothing, namely: Brown, Dempsey, Pears, and O'Brien/Dalgleish don't appear to have what it takes.

If we fluff this year's draft and/or trades, we will be Carlton-esque by about 2017.
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With regards to the topic, after last night, don't need wallpaper to cover the cracks, need a complete knock down and rebuild from scratch...
1st qtr and last qtr were ok, in between, f****** horrid across the board...
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BenDoolan wrote:BRENT STANTON - pulls out when he could have gone harder to contest a mark on the wing in the first quarter. What's new you COWARD.
The kick wasn't great, but he definitely should have gone harder. The thing that shits me the most about Stanton now is his body language. When he gets in a situation like that, rather than f****** get on with it he swings his arms and puts his head to the side as if the teammate that did the bad kick is the only one to blame in the situation.
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jimmyc1985 wrote:With draft sanctions now having been served, we need to hit the draft hard this year and turn the list over heavily and pray to god that we nail it. There's easily 8-9 changes without making any hard calls: Fletcher, Chapman, Winderlich and Stanton to retire, and then get rid of guys whose contracts expire at the end of the year who've been on the list for years and achieved nothing, namely: Brown, Dempsey, Pears, and O'Brien/Dalgleish don't appear to have what it takes.
Can we get rid of Gwilt or did he sign up for two years?

Browne and Dalgleish looked good in the games they played back whenever and have been good in the VFL this year, so I'd consider keeping them, depending who we get rid of out of the older players and how their bodies hold up the rest of the year.

And I doubt Stanton will retire.
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I've just received some WADA wallpaper. It should cover the extensive cracks that have appeared. The WADA wallpaper is extremely durable and can last for a few years. No matter how much rot sits behind the wall or in the foundations, the WADA wallpaper will continue to cover it up so that you can't see what's actually going on.

It's the best wallpaper I've received so far! Much appreciated. Thanks goes to the manufacturer - a company called "The Truth of the Matter".
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