HALLELUJAH!!!

[rednblack]

for what its worth i agree 100% with Gringo. wich is unusual really.

And Filth one whose opinion i really respect are you saying that women are mentally inferior and cannot defend themselves in an argument?

[rockhole]

There is a disturbing trend on this forum of unerring support for the board. Ashley Prescott seems a good pick up but surely Gringo's criticism of Cera is at least worth some consideration given his background?

We've now got a head coach and a rehab coach who both have a history of being involved with programs that weren't successful. I'm not privy to what's going on behind the scenes but success would have been my #1, #2 and #3 weighted criteria.

As Gringo said, I hope there is method to their madness.

The coaching staff and players have my full support but I reserve the right to question those who appointed them if things go pear shaped next season and I, nor anyone else, should be criticised for doing so.

With regards to questions about soccer fitness vs AFL fitness, rehabilitation has nothing to do with fitness. It's about developing programs for injury management and I would expect that our head of rehabilitation would be looking at all options (e.g. Geelong's experiment with hamstring rehabilitation - not developed for AFL) from all sports.

The proof will be in the pudding. As I expect Knights to deliver at least eight wins next year, I expect our new rehab coach to get results. Those results should be measured based on the time it takes for players to return from injury and the rate of re-injury of said players and should be benchmarked against both historical EFC data and data from other clubs both in the AFL and internationally. If that kind of stuff isn't in the performance criteria then I'LL f****** run for a position on the board.

Balanced argument ab!!. By about round 10 we will know where we are heading. Nobody, including the collective genius minds contributing to BT can predict with any certainty what is going to happen. It is easy to argue the negative, eg the Board panicked, Knights was a dud selection, he has surrounded himself with his mates, we are all doomed and the sky is falling in.

So what!! This is the crew we take forward over the next 24 months. I believe the positives outweigh the above. What is the point of putting the boot in now when a ball has not even been kicked in anger. Save your venom for when there is something on the paddock that can actually be evaluated. Until then it is all speculation

[keri]

Other AFL clubs have appointed fitness coaches from the major soccer clubs in Europe who have been exposed to all the best techniques, procedures and technical expertise the world has to offer. The fact that players use different muscle groups would take all of five minutes for an expert coach to pick up on. You guys are even more deluded than I thought if you think that these guys can't work across a range of sports successfully. If anything, it would add to their appeal.

We've gone and got ourselves a bloke who knocked around VUT (hardly one of the Australia's let alone the world's elite education facilities) spent some time at Richmond whilst the club was about the worst in the country and then went to St Kilda where he got the boot. Brilliant. I'm so thrilled.

But please stick your head in the sand like most supporters on this site if it makes you happy.

Oh, well if everyone else is doing it, we should be as well! Look, Gringo, there's a group of people jumping off that cliff! Off you go. By that logic, you simpleton, we should also be getting a drugie as a former captain, a criminal as a chief exec, a fat bastard with a bung knee as full forward and encourage all our players to sleep with their team-mates wives!

You know why Essendon is better than the other clubs, Gringo? BECAUSE WE DON'T JUST FOLLOW THE PACK!

Yes, my logic would encourage all of those things. Hmmmm. Were you dropped on your head as a small child Keri? Did your parents hold your head under water for extended periods? I'm just trying to work out how you can draw a link between me wanting to appoint a fitness/rehab coach who has worked at the best sporting clubs on the planet, and your conclusion that this proposition means that I wish to appoint "a fat bastard with a bung knee as full forward". I'm trying desperately hard to join the dots, but for the life of me I can't.

Look, on paper this looks like a dud appointment. Only time will tell whether or not the correct decision was made.

Your logic is that because other clubs have done it, we should as well. You don't look at the facts objectively, you look at the facts from a pessimistic point of view and try and come up with the easiest way of using them to criticise the club. You lambast people before they have even commenced a role at the club, you don't look at the big picture, you're negative, you seem unable to grasp that complicated situations call for solutions that might seem outside the box. If you don't personally endorse a decision, then everyone is a dickhead if they do.

You seem to think that because you can use Google effectively, which surprises me in itself that you know more about the appointment of a rehab coach to a club than the club - with all it's resources and insider knowledge - does.

And I could be dropped on my head every day from birth to death and hold myself under the water for a minimum of an hour a day and I'm tipping I'd still kick your f****** arse in any intelligence test, logic test, or quotiant test you care to name, you rancid pile of monkey vomit.

I wrote:

1. EFC should get the most qualified person available to act as fitness/rehab coach

2. On paper, the bloke we have appointed looks dubious.

3. Other clubs, most notably Geelong and Collingwood, have appointed fitness/rehab coaches who have had experience working in sports clubs in Europe and the United States where they would have been exposed to world's best practices.

4. Considering the wealth of experience that such coaches would have built up, it would seem wise for EFC to appoint such a coach.

Now, according to "Keri logic" this means the following:

1. I don't look at the big picture

2. I fail to grasp complicated situations that call for solutions "out of the box"

3. I think EFC should appoint a druggy as captain.

4. I think we should appoint a criminal as chief executive of EFC.

Now Keri, before you actually type something, please explain what goes through your head, because I'm intrigued. Do you close your eyes and bash at the keyboard with your forehead? Do you tape stubbies of VB to your hands, spin around five times, and then begin typing? I have a retarded 4-year-old pet monkey chained up at home that I feed nothing but broccoli stumps to and I'm afraid that it makes more sense than you.

Gringo, you either have no grasp of sarcasm, or you're grasping yourself too firmly. My objection to what you post is quite simple - you never agree with anything Essendon does. This makes you just as innane as those who agree with everything Essendon does. Every time you post something, you contradict yourself, as evidenced by the article you posted.

Just so we're clear, since you seem to have problems with comprehension of the English language i've started a new paragraph here, so you can see that this is a different point;- You are negative. You rarely, if ever, say anything positive. Even though you disagree with almost everything everyone else says, you rarely come up with anything original. You even go so far as to state that we should follow Collingwoods lead! Excuse me whilst I retch into my breakfast, but have you seen the results of Collingwood throwing money around like confeitti? They still either underperform with good teams and overperform with bad ones, always just missing the mark. It sure as hell hasn't bought them a premiership!

And for the record, I would never be seen dead with a VB stubbie in any capacity, even if it was just for taping to my head purposes.

[Sismis]

Keri, he only does it to deflect from his own lack of logic.

[keri]

Yeah, I know. But it passes the time, doesn't it?

[Jazz_84]

is the best footballer always taken at #1?? no because ultimately it depends what team he is at... i didn't see a lot of Bryce Gibbs this year but he wasn't the best to come from last years draft after going #1 so who says the best coach on paper will be the best coach for Essendon? the board had an idea of where they want to see the EFC in the near future and they felt Knights was the right man to do that, so i'm going to support him 100% im excited about what could be over the next few years and so far he has impressed, maybe not in every single aspect of whats happened so far but i'm sure you can all agree a shit load more then this time last year

[keri]

Spot on Jazz!

[Twits]

You'll all be shocked to know that i think you are kidding yourselves. You are just proving the well know fact that Essendon supporters are the most deluded in the AFL. This is probably down to the fact that you are the Manchester United of the AFL (without the success of course). Let me explain:
if people dont really care about soccer and you ask them who they like, they most invariably say Manchester United (admittedly Chelsea have been encroaching on this market in recent years). Similarly if you ask people here, with little or no interest in Aussie Rules who they barrack for, Essendon is the most popular answer.
What this has resulted in is the most delusional, naively confused group of supporters in the league. This is fine, all clubs have an element of this in their support, Essendons problem is that it constitutes pretty much your entire supporter base.

[keri]

Oh, oh I feel sick. Manchester. I should really not read your posts for at least an hour after eating.

I feel dirty.

[BenDoolan]

You'll all be shocked to know that i think you are kidding yourselves. You are just proving the well know fact that Essendon supporters are the most deluded in the AFL. This is probably down to the fact that you are the Manchester United of the AFL (without the success of course). Let me explain:
if people dont really care about soccer and you ask them who they like, they most invariably say Manchester United (admittedly Chelsea have been encroaching on this market in recent years). Similarly if you ask people here, with little or no interest in Aussie Rules who they barrack for, Essendon is the most popular answer.
What this has resulted in is the most delusional, naively confused group of supporters in the league. This is fine, all clubs have an element of this in their support, Essendons problem is that it constitutes pretty much your entire supporter base.

Based on 16 premierships, is it any wonder?

Nice work gringey gringe twingey twit!

[keri]

Someone can't check figures either.... how many members do we have again?

[Twits]

I think you'll find Benny that even Filthilicious acknowledges that I am not Gringo.

[keri]

I think it was just wishful thinking. It's depressing to imagine that there are two of you who think like that.

[gringo]

Oh, well if everyone else is doing it, we should be as well! Look, Gringo, there's a group of people jumping off that cliff! Off you go. By that logic, you simpleton, we should also be getting a drugie as a former captain, a criminal as a chief exec, a fat bastard with a bung knee as full forward and encourage all our players to sleep with their team-mates wives!

You know why Essendon is better than the other clubs, Gringo? BECAUSE WE DON'T JUST FOLLOW THE PACK!

Yes, my logic would encourage all of those things. Hmmmm. Were you dropped on your head as a small child Keri? Did your parents hold your head under water for extended periods? I'm just trying to work out how you can draw a link between me wanting to appoint a fitness/rehab coach who has worked at the best sporting clubs on the planet, and your conclusion that this proposition means that I wish to appoint "a fat bastard with a bung knee as full forward". I'm trying desperately hard to join the dots, but for the life of me I can't.

Look, on paper this looks like a dud appointment. Only time will tell whether or not the correct decision was made.

Your logic is that because other clubs have done it, we should as well. You don't look at the facts objectively, you look at the facts from a pessimistic point of view and try and come up with the easiest way of using them to criticise the club. You lambast people before they have even commenced a role at the club, you don't look at the big picture, you're negative, you seem unable to grasp that complicated situations call for solutions that might seem outside the box. If you don't personally endorse a decision, then everyone is a dickhead if they do.

You seem to think that because you can use Google effectively, which surprises me in itself that you know more about the appointment of a rehab coach to a club than the club - with all it's resources and insider knowledge - does.

And I could be dropped on my head every day from birth to death and hold myself under the water for a minimum of an hour a day and I'm tipping I'd still kick your f****** arse in any intelligence test, logic test, or quotiant test you care to name, you rancid pile of monkey vomit.

I wrote:

1. EFC should get the most qualified person available to act as fitness/rehab coach

2. On paper, the bloke we have appointed looks dubious.

3. Other clubs, most notably Geelong and Collingwood, have appointed fitness/rehab coaches who have had experience working in sports clubs in Europe and the United States where they would have been exposed to world's best practices.

4. Considering the wealth of experience that such coaches would have built up, it would seem wise for EFC to appoint such a coach.

Now, according to "Keri logic" this means the following:

1. I don't look at the big picture

2. I fail to grasp complicated situations that call for solutions "out of the box"

3. I think EFC should appoint a druggy as captain.

4. I think we should appoint a criminal as chief executive of EFC.

Now Keri, before you actually type something, please explain what goes through your head, because I'm intrigued. Do you close your eyes and bash at the keyboard with your forehead? Do you tape stubbies of VB to your hands, spin around five times, and then begin typing? I have a retarded 4-year-old pet monkey chained up at home that I feed nothing but broccoli stumps to and I'm afraid that it makes more sense than you.

Gringo, you either have no grasp of sarcasm, or you're grasping yourself too firmly. My objection to what you post is quite simple - you never agree with anything Essendon does. This makes you just as innane as those who agree with everything Essendon does. Every time you post something, you contradict yourself, as evidenced by the article you posted.

Just so we're clear, since you seem to have problems with comprehension of the English language i've started a new paragraph here, so you can see that this is a different point;- You are negative. You rarely, if ever, say anything positive. Even though you disagree with almost everything everyone else says, you rarely come up with anything original. You even go so far as to state that we should follow Collingwoods lead! Excuse me whilst I retch into my breakfast, but have you seen the results of Collingwood throwing money around like confeitti? They still either underperform with good teams and overperform with bad ones, always just missing the mark. It sure as hell hasn't bought them a premiership!

And for the record, I would never be seen dead with a VB stubbie in any capacity, even if it was just for taping to my head purposes.

Most people seem to have agreed with what I've written about our fitness/rehab coach.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but do you have mad cow disease Keri?

[rama_fan]

You'll all be shocked to know that i think you are kidding yourselves. You are just proving the well know fact that Essendon supporters are the most deluded in the AFL. This is probably down to the fact that you are the Manchester United of the AFL (without the success of course). Let me explain:
if people dont really care about soccer and you ask them who they like, they most invariably say Manchester United (admittedly Chelsea have been encroaching on this market in recent years). Similarly if you ask people here, with little or no interest in Aussie Rules who they barrack for, Essendon is the most popular answer.
What this has resulted in is the most delusional, naively confused group of supporters in the league. This is fine, all clubs have an element of this in their support, Essendons problem is that it constitutes pretty much your entire supporter base.

So if Essendon hasn't had any success - tell me, which AFL club has had success then?

Maybe Fremantle with their massive trophy cabinet?

[Twits]

Would you like me to combine South and East Fremantle premierships?? And our supporters truly would have celebrated them unlike most of the Bombres who by the next day would have moved on to practising their yoyos or playing marbles, whatever the fad of the day was.

[Madden]

Would you like me to combine South and East Fremantle premierships?? And our supporters truly would have celebrated them unlike most of the Bombres who by the next day would have moved on to practising their yoyos or playing marbles, whatever the fad of the day was.

I found this funny.

[keri]

Yes, my logic would encourage all of those things. Hmmmm. Were you dropped on your head as a small child Keri? Did your parents hold your head under water for extended periods? I'm just trying to work out how you can draw a link between me wanting to appoint a fitness/rehab coach who has worked at the best sporting clubs on the planet, and your conclusion that this proposition means that I wish to appoint "a fat bastard with a bung knee as full forward". I'm trying desperately hard to join the dots, but for the life of me I can't.

Look, on paper this looks like a dud appointment. Only time will tell whether or not the correct decision was made.

Your logic is that because other clubs have done it, we should as well. You don't look at the facts objectively, you look at the facts from a pessimistic point of view and try and come up with the easiest way of using them to criticise the club. You lambast people before they have even commenced a role at the club, you don't look at the big picture, you're negative, you seem unable to grasp that complicated situations call for solutions that might seem outside the box. If you don't personally endorse a decision, then everyone is a dickhead if they do.

You seem to think that because you can use Google effectively, which surprises me in itself that you know more about the appointment of a rehab coach to a club than the club - with all it's resources and insider knowledge - does.

And I could be dropped on my head every day from birth to death and hold myself under the water for a minimum of an hour a day and I'm tipping I'd still kick your f****** arse in any intelligence test, logic test, or quotiant test you care to name, you rancid pile of monkey vomit.

I wrote:

1. EFC should get the most qualified person available to act as fitness/rehab coach

2. On paper, the bloke we have appointed looks dubious.

3. Other clubs, most notably Geelong and Collingwood, have appointed fitness/rehab coaches who have had experience working in sports clubs in Europe and the United States where they would have been exposed to world's best practices.

4. Considering the wealth of experience that such coaches would have built up, it would seem wise for EFC to appoint such a coach.

Now, according to "Keri logic" this means the following:

1. I don't look at the big picture

2. I fail to grasp complicated situations that call for solutions "out of the box"

3. I think EFC should appoint a druggy as captain.

4. I think we should appoint a criminal as chief executive of EFC.

Now Keri, before you actually type something, please explain what goes through your head, because I'm intrigued. Do you close your eyes and bash at the keyboard with your forehead? Do you tape stubbies of VB to your hands, spin around five times, and then begin typing? I have a retarded 4-year-old pet monkey chained up at home that I feed nothing but broccoli stumps to and I'm afraid that it makes more sense than you.

Gringo, you either have no grasp of sarcasm, or you're grasping yourself too firmly. My objection to what you post is quite simple - you never agree with anything Essendon does. This makes you just as innane as those who agree with everything Essendon does. Every time you post something, you contradict yourself, as evidenced by the article you posted.

Just so we're clear, since you seem to have problems with comprehension of the English language i've started a new paragraph here, so you can see that this is a different point;- You are negative. You rarely, if ever, say anything positive. Even though you disagree with almost everything everyone else says, you rarely come up with anything original. You even go so far as to state that we should follow Collingwoods lead! Excuse me whilst I retch into my breakfast, but have you seen the results of Collingwood throwing money around like confeitti? They still either underperform with good teams and overperform with bad ones, always just missing the mark. It sure as hell hasn't bought them a premiership!

And for the record, I would never be seen dead with a VB stubbie in any capacity, even if it was just for taping to my head purposes.

Most people seem to have agreed with what I've written about our fitness/rehab coach.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but do you have mad cow disease Keri?

Most people agreed that the world was flat as well. And most people disagree with every other bloody word you say.

By your own logic, every time you disagree with something that everyone else agrees on, you have Mad Cows Disease.

[gringo]

Most people agreed that the world was flat as well. And most people disagree with every other bloody word you say.

By your own logic, every time you disagree with something that everyone else agrees on, you have Mad Cows Disease.

Once again you've lost me. I truly try to follow your arguments, but for the life of me, I can't.

When you get done using the computer at Centrelink, I suggest you go enrol at night school. There you'll be able to interact with other humans and learn how arguments are constructed. You'll probably find Filthy in there earnestly taking notes with a pen and paper, occasionally stopping to pick his nose and scratch his arse. Find out which one he goes to and maybe you'll be able to catch the train together.

[keri]

You state that most people agree with what you said about the fitness coach, then follow up with asking me if I have mad cow disease. Exactly how hard is it to follow that just because people agree with you (A miracle in itself) doesn't make it right?

And for the record, you might want to take a look at the national comprehension testings done from 1992 onwards. My name comes in the top 1% in the country for every year until about 1998, when they stopped testing. Also, if you really want to play that game, look up the archives for A Current Affair in the years 1993/1994 when there were two seperate pieces done on an intelligence program that I was part of, based on my IQ and comprehension ratings, which were higher when I was ten than yours would be now.

You might want to actually pick an area of my personality or intellect where I can't wave a wad of paper as thick as your head at you to prove you wrong, arsewipe.