Key (only?) witness is Charter ... who says that other people said xxxx (in most places that is called hearsay and is not acceptable as evidence) ... so ASADA expects 34 people to be charged, stand out of the game and have their reputation sullied on the say so of one person who is a convicted drug dealer who has business links with Mockbel's alleged money launderer ... and has upcoming drug charges to address...
Key (only?) witness is Charter ... who says that other people said xxxx (in most places that is called hearsay and is not acceptable as evidence) ... so ASADA expects 34 people to be charged, stand out of the game and have their reputation sullied on the say so of one person who is a convicted drug dealer who has business links with Mockbel's alleged money launderer ... and has upcoming drug charges to address...
And they still haven't interviewed Dank...
s'd
It's far more easier (and convenient) to believe that sort of character than someone like Hird. I mean, why would you trust a golden boy who has an impeccable public record?
If all ASADA's evidence is from Charter's, does anyone take into account that he virtually handed himself into the ACC for protection. This happened not long after the "Darkest Day in Sport." Could it be a case of favours given for favours done. Charters has a mirky past and still has charges to answer.
Surely now, Dank has to be front and testify. The onus is still on us, to prove we took nothing sinister or what they say we did. Without Dank I don't see how we can do that satisfactorily or to their satisfaction.
ASADA are playing their ace which is based on "they believe" I hope Dank has written records because its not hard to bodgie up an invoice which turns up out of nowhere. I have no faith in ASADA or their process.
mdso wrote:If all ASADA's evidence is from Charter's, does anyone take into account that he virtually handed himself into the ACC for protection. This happened not long after the "Darkest Day in Sport." Could it be a case of favours given for favours done. Charters has a mirky past and still has charges to answer.
Surely now, Dank has to be front and testify. The onus is still on us, to prove we took nothing sinister or what they say we did. Without Dank I don't see how we can do that satisfactorily or to their satisfaction.
ASADA are playing their ace which is based on "they believe" I hope Dank has written records because its not hard to bodgie up an invoice which turns up out of nowhere. I have no faith in ASADA or their process.
Seriously 2 years on and we still have people spouting this shit (an Essendon supporter no less ). Under the anti-doping code our players are innocent until otherwise proven to a "comfortable satisfaction" of the AFL anti-doping tribunal that that are guilty of a doping offence.
Our players do not have to prove that they did not take anything sinister (how the f*** would you prove a f****** negative anyway), ASADA has to prove they did commit an anti-doping offence.
I know given the media coverage it would seem like the onus was on us to prove our innocence but it really f****** isn't.
BenDoolan wrote:It's far more easier (and convenient) to believe that sort of character than someone like Hird. I mean, why would you trust a golden boy who has an impeccable public record?
Because he's arrogant and delusional. Duh.
Actually, some lols to be had from Caro being inducted into the hall of dickwits - she said when she started in radio she "didn't want to make a fool of herself" not two weeks after going with Hird being sacked.
Aren't we still being pilloried about AOD whatever whatever and cows guts extract??? Oh ... you mean that the authorities have changed their tune and there has been no mea culps and heartfelt apologies from the authorities, media and ALF board for chasing the wrong rabbit down the wrong hole? How desperate is that?
And all this hinges on the word of a criminal and some possible spelling issues from a Shanghai factory (for f**** sake has anyone looked at English translations of assembly instructions for any Chinese manufactured product??? Get real!!!) for a product that may or may not have been used elsewhere or destroyed or administered to players.
Well f*** me with a feather if that's all there is.
ASADA’s star witness won’t play ball on Essendon allegations
CHIP LE GRAND
THE AUSTRALIAN
OCTOBER 14, 2014 12:00AM
THE Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority is yet to convince its star witness, peptide importer Shane Charter, to provide testimony against 34 current and former Essendon players accused of taking a banned substance.
The Australian understands discussions are continuing between Mr Charter and ASADA, which has agreed to fast-track its anti-doping proceedings against the 34 AFL players following a request from their lawyers for a speedy resolution to the supplements saga.
Mr Charter is ASADA’s most important witness. Its circumstantial case that Thymosin Beta-4, a banned peptide, was administered to Essendon players during the 2012 season relies heavily on documents, emails and text messages provided by Mr Charter to ASADA investigators last year.
In May, detectives arrested Mr Charter and questioned him about drug-related allegations. They also executed search warrants at his Sunbury home, north of Melbourne, and seized computers and documents.
The 45-year-old, self-styled anti-ageing expert was released without charge. He has since had no access to any of the documents on which his previous evidence to ASADA is based.
Without access to files held by police or ASADA, Mr Charter may be unwilling to testify and expose himself to cross-examination by lawyers for the current and former Essendon players. He has asked ASADA to provide him with a brief of the evidence before he agrees to testify.
Police sources yesterday confirmed that computers seized from Mr Charter were still awaiting analysis.
A senior ASADA source expressed confidence that Mr Charter would testify.
Lawyers for the players are eager to question him about peptides he imported from China in December 2011 and whether he provided others to Melbourne compounding pharmacist Nima Alavi.
ASADA’s case is that raw materials for Thymosin Beta-4 imported by Mr Charter from a large Chinese peptide manufacturer were compounded by Mr Alavi and provided to Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank.
ASADA worked out long ago that the occasional text message to Caro or Fatprick or any other c*** in the media is far cheaper than actually carrying out a proper investigation.
mdso wrote: The onus is still on us, to prove we took nothing sinister or what they say we did.
How many ****** times do you need to be corrected on this?
Any word on how the board meeting went today?
How do we measure comfortable satisfaction? I mean what the hell is that? I want nothing more than for our players to get off. After all that is happened since this began, I don't trust the ASADA and the AFL, we don't even play by the same set of rules.
s'dreams wrote:Aren't we still being pilloried about AOD whatever whatever and cows guts extract??? Oh ... you mean that the authorities have changed their tune and there has been no mea culps and heartfelt apologies from the authorities, media and ALF board for chasing the wrong rabbit down the wrong hole? How desperate is that?
And all this hinges on the word of a criminal and some possible spelling issues from a Shanghai factory (for f**** sake has anyone looked at English translations of assembly instructions for any Chinese manufactured product??? Get real!!!) for a product that may or may not have been used elsewhere or destroyed or administered to players.
Well f*** me with a feather if that's all there is.
s'd
And; apparently a journalist, who interviewed Dank about 18 months ago, where he slipped up and said the wrong name for
Thymosin he used at Essendon and then later corrected himself. Then later rang him and corrected himself. We all know how the media exaggerate and fabricate.
So who knows what was said?
mdso wrote: The onus is still on us, to prove we took nothing sinister or what they say we did.
How many ****** times do you need to be corrected on this?
Any word on how the board meeting went today?
How do we measure comfortable satisfaction? I mean what the hell is that? I want nothing more than for our players to get off. After all that is happened since this began, I don't trust the ASADA and the AFL, we don't even play by the same set of rules.
ASADA believe thay Dank had TB4 imported during his time as a consultant at Essendon. Because Dank ordered it they basically conclude that it must have been administered to players.
). Under the anti-doping code our players are innocent until otherwise proven to a "comfortable satisfaction" of the AFL anti-doping tribunal that that are guilty of a doping offence. 
