f*** off..c***

[Sismis]

It is not heresay evidence if Charters testifies.

It is if he verbals Dank, Hird, Reid, Weapon, Cochran etc etc ... as in "I said the x blah blah blah and he said nik nik nik and we agreed that the stuff should be wibble wobble wibble"... that is classic hearsay

To clarify, testifying to what HE advised and what HE ordered is not hearsay.

[tonysoprano]

The first few paragraphs made me chuckle.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sdl12v

[Sismis]

The first few paragraphs made me chuckle.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sdl12v

Surely he can just say it was "in the public's interest"?

Opps there's an AND there as well.

[BenDoolan]

The first few paragraphs made me chuckle.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sdl12v

To be greeted with the predictable no response and deletion of email.

And then what?

[rockhole]

And now McDickhead is off overseas for 2 weeks....who is running the shop?

"McDevitt will fly from Montreal to Paris for a meeting of national anti-doping bosses. His two-week absence from Australia is expected to correspond with the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel (ADRVP) meeting and the convening of the AFL tribunal."

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl/afl ... 1cxw3.html

If he is so confident that his one piece of hearsay evidence from a convicted drug smuggler facing more charges is so shit hot....why is he dragging his feet....the thin lipped Jack?

Maybe WADA will have his balls for this monumental f*** up of an inquiry..

We can only but dream!!!

[Gyoza]

Yawn.
When is Hirdy's appeal result being handed down again?
This whole thing is a joke. Nothing significant has happened for a very long time.

[Flip]

And now McDickhead is off overseas for 2 weeks....who is running the shop?

"McDevitt will fly from Montreal to Paris for a meeting of national anti-doping bosses. His two-week absence from Australia is expected to correspond with the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel (ADRVP) meeting and the convening of the AFL tribunal."

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl/afl ... 1cxw3.html

If he is so confident that his one piece of hearsay evidence from a convicted drug smuggler facing more charges is so shit hot....why is he dragging his feet....the thin lipped Jack?

Maybe WADA will have his balls for this monumental f*** up of an inquiry..

We can only but dream!!!

Or more likely he knows that when there is inevitable closure on this matter, he will fade back into inevitable mediocrity his persona and position deserve. Effing Jack.

[tonysoprano]

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl ... 7107778849

thoughts?

[BenDoolan]

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl ... 7107778849

thoughts?

Can't see it.

[rockhole]

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl ... 7107778849

thoughts?

Subscribers only

[F111]

Chinese seller to Charters says he only sold T-B-4 to Charters after a written undertaking from Charters that it wouldn't be for human use.

[tonysoprano]

sorry - managed to access via twitter (!).............



THE Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority’s star witness in the case against 34 current and former Essendon footballers gave a written assurance that no peptides imported from a Chinese biochemical company would be used on people.

Vincent Xu, the global sales manager of GL Biochem, one of the world’s largest suppliers of peptides, has revealed to The Australian the details of his dealings with Shane Charter, a self-styled fitness and anti-ageing consultant at the centre of the Essendon supplements saga.

Mr Xu said that when Mr Charter came to Shanghai in Nov­ember 2011 to visit his sprawling, biochemical manufacturing plant, he claimed to be the repre­sentative of a pharmaceutical company looking to buy peptides for research work.

Mr Xu provided Mr Charter with samples of various peptides, including the banned substance Thymosin Beta 4.

When Mr Charter had subsequently placed an order to import a larger quantity of peptides, he was asked to provide a written undertaking that they were not intended for human use.

In a blow to the defence case of the AFL players, Mr Xu said the only Thymosin peptide supplied by GL Biochem to Mr Charter was Thymosin Beta 4.

“The Thymosin we synthesis (sic) and supply always refers to Thymosin Beta 4,’’ he said.

“The peptide products (such as Thymosin Beta 4) are for research use only, not for human use. We sold our peptide products to Shane Charter after he signed the non-human-use agreement.’’

A copy of Mr Charter’s undertaking to GL Biochem — signed and dated December 8, 2011 — holds Mr Charter responsible for the “improper use’’ of peptides by himself or a third party.

“The product outsourced to your company will not be directly applied for usage on human body without appropriate requirements satisfied,’’ the undertaking reads. “And precautionary measures, if applicable, will be adopted to ensure that the product will not be used improperly by third party.’’

Mr Xu said the undertaking was required of all GL Biochem customers to prevent the proliferation of peptides on lucrative black markets around the world.

ASADA alleges that the Thymosin Beta 4 bought by Mr Charter from GL Biochem was administered to Essendon players during the 2012 AFL season by sports scientist Stephen Dank.

Mr Dank is separately accused by ASADA of administering, possessing and trafficking in a banned substance at Essendon and the Gold Coast and covering up its use.

Mr Charter co-operated with ASADA’s probe into Essendon, giving its investigators extensive testimony and documents about his dealings with GL Biochem, Mr Dank and compounding pharmacist Nima Alavi.

It is understood Mr Charter is still deciding whether to appear as a witness in the case — and subject himself to cross-examination by lawyers representing the 34 players — when the AFL convenes an anti-doping tribunal to hear and determine the charges. The long-running case could be heard before the end of this year.

Mr Charter is due before the Melbourne Magistrates Court on Monday to answer criminal charges of trafficking in and possessing steroids and possessing human growth hormone and other Schedule 4 poisons. He has previously served two years’ jail for importing a commercial quantify of pseudoephedrine, a precursor to methamphetamine.

Mr Charter met his lawyers this week to discuss whether appearing as a witness in the ASADA case would put him at risk of self-incrimination. The current criminal proceedings against him, the result of a sting operation last year by Victoria Police detectives from the anti-gangland Purana taskforce, are not related to the Essendon case.

Mr Charter declined on legal advice to respond to questions provided by The Australian.

The ASADA case is heavily reliant on Mr Charter, despite him having no direct knowledge or involvement in Essendon’s 2012 season supplements program.


According to ASADA’s summary of evidence provided to lawyers acting for the players, Thymosin Beta 4 imported by Mr Charter was compounded by Mr Alavi and provided to Mr Dank.

Mr Alavi’s evidence is that, in January 2012, he compounded a Thymosin peptide from raw mater­ials imported by Mr Charter but does not know for certain whether the substance was Thymosin Beta 4 or a permitted form of Thymosin. He told ASADA he gave Mr Dank the Thymosin and a banned peptide, Hexarelin, in 10ml, clear glass vials for testing and did not see the peptides again.

What happened next is unclear. Mr Dank has refused to be interviewed by ASADA but maintains that the Thymosin and Hexarelin compounded by Mr Alavi were neither intended for use nor used at Essendon. He told Mr Alavi the peptides were ruined by sun exposure and destroyed.

ASADA must prove to comfortable satisfaction that Essendon players were administered with Thymosin Beta 4. The case is circumstantial, constructed around four principle elements: Mr Charter’s evidence that he imported raw materials for the banned peptide; correspondence between Mr Charter, Mr Alavi and Mr Dank when Mr Dank was employed at Essendon about how to prepare and administer Thymosin Beta 4; consent forms signed by Essendon players who agreed to be injected with a form of Thymosin; and player testimony about receiving subcutan­eous injections from Mr Dank in the stomach.

Essendon insists its players were administered Thymomodulin, a permitted Thymosin peptide, and not Thymosin Beta 4.

The players vary greatly in their recollections of what they were administered.

[little_ripper]

Means nothing other than charters Def bought tb4 Dank still denies he gave it to our boys.

[BenDoolan]

Comfortable satisfaction

[Jazz_84]

it's on a knife edge it would seem, but given the info is still coming through, I'd say there is more to tell yet

[Sismis]

I prefer this story:

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/conten ... 118770.htm

[little_ripper]

I prefer this story:

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/conten ... 118770.htm

Lol. Mcdevitt speaks like an ex cop. It's such a shambles this whole thing. And to think this fools now hold our players fates in his hands.

Why on earth can't it be covered and cleared up now.

[BenDoolan]

I prefer this story:

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/conten ... 118770.htm

I am comfortably satisfied he has broken the law. 2 years he shall get!

[Windy_Hill]

Here's what the soccer folk think of the AFL

From the Age re the success of Western Sydney Wanderers

And it will be a fight, every step of the way. The AFL has revealed its true face once again by trying to lock out an A-League grand final in Melbourne. So much for collaboration. Gallop's response has been tough, and clear. There won't be any collaboration with the AFL in Western Sydney because it's an organisation which can't be trusted. Simple as that.

[auditor]

I prefer this story:

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/conten ... 118770.htm

I am comfortably satisfied he has broken the law. 2 years he shall get!

And a damn good thrashing...