Some 2012 Tactical Issues for Discussion

[Windy_Hill]

Wouldnt mind moving on from the EFC Family day which has been the hottest topic during the last few weeks

I would like to throw these tid bits onto the table for the Forum to comment on


1) Three Talls - Hird has said he is keen to pursue the Three ruckmen option in 2012. I never thought it worked in 2011 and does limit our midfield depth under the reduced interchange bench. At this stage, its Ryder and Hille for me with Belly on call at Bendigo

2) Carlisle - Forward or Back? - It is clear now that Hurley is the key forward around which this team will be built. As such, does Carlisle have a position up forward or is he better suited to take the "Hooker" role as the third tall down back? In which case, can Hooker get a game if Jake kicks on?

3) Dempsey to the Wing - assuming he is over the knee - he must play on the wing in my opinion

4) Gus Monfries - really looked a better player all round when pushed into the middle ans accross the half back line in one or two games. Is this his future?


Guys sorry to be hogging the topics - just desperately want to get some footy banter going - hope yo'all dont mind - feel free to add more

[j-mac31]

1. Shouldn't do it. You said it about midfield depth. Also Ryder and Hille are too good to have on the bench for too long anyway, whether they play forward or in the ruck, so we'd either be too tall and slow if Bellchambers was on too or wasting a spot on the bench. If they really want to use height up forward, play Carlisle up there with Hurley.

2. Back. First, he looks better than Hooker. Second, we looked at our best early last season when our forward line was just Hurley and Ryder/Hille rotating for talls. (I don't consider Crameri "tall".)

3. Agree.

4. Meh. Has to play well wherever the coaches put him.

[Jazz_84]

1. I really don't like the 3 talls idea, it just doesn't work for us... Belly will have to bide his time at Bendigo this year i think, especially if Hille really is on track for a big year as they are saying from pre-season form.

2. I think he needs to be back, we need some quality down back to help stop the goals, we have enough goal kicking power ourselves at least when the full team is out on the part

3. Wing for sure, can't imagine anyone debating that

4. I think runs in the middle and forward is his go, 50/50 should allow him to stay on the field almost if not 100% of the game

[BenDoolan]

1. More often than not, it won't work.

2. Have you given up on Gumby lol? . I reckon Carlisle can be a very good forward. But he had a terrific year in defence for Bendigo last season. The good things is, both Hurley and Carlisle are interchangeable forwards/backmen. That to me is a plus as they can perform equally as good at either end.

3. Dempsey on a wing may happen with Heppell continuing to play from HBF perhaps. I can see Pears, Hardingham, Hooker/Carlisle, Fletcher, Hibberd, Heppell holding down the back 6 at this stage...

4. Monfries is just an average player - no matter where he plays. I don't expect any spike in his consistency or potency at all.

[ZeroEffect]

1. Three ruckman in the same team just doesn't work. We either miss out on a rotation off the bench or our forward line becomes too top heavy.

2. Carlisle must play forward. His marking is his outstanding attribute and that is best used in the forward line, it means goals. Sure we could be safe and let him play back this year but he has the potential to be a very good CHF and they don't come around too often.

3. Before Dempsey got injured last year he was playing great footy in defence. He provided great run out of the backline and often caught teams off guard with his pace. Also as a pacey defender he is able to keep up with the likes of a Yarran or Betts. We need him down back.

4. Monfries is a forward. Sure he played a really good game in the midfield against a pitiful Adelaide last year but that was one out of the box. I think we should stick to rotating him through the midfield occasinoally. As a forward he's a good mark and a good kick, he just needs to get his hands on the ball more often.

This is like four topics in one, well done Windy_Hill.

[robrulz5]

1. We can't have 3 ruckman in the one side, we need as many players that can go through the midfield as possible.

2. Forward. I think he could be a very good along half forward with his marking ability. We are lucky to have two players that can play forward and back.

3. Dempsey must play on a wing, his speed and ability to dodge players would give us something we haven't seen on the wing since Michael Long.

4. The more players that have the ability to have a run through the midfield the better it will be for the side.

[Gimps]

1. Can work against some teams. Will not happen every week, but will happen.

2. Where we need him. Forward one week, back the next. In a way, he'll be our Mr. Fixit.

3. Don't mind him off a back flank. His defensive work improved prior to getting injured. I think he could be a pinch hitter on the wing.

4. Will play mostly forward, but will float further up the ground similar to last year.

5. I'll just let Hird do his job.

[s'dreams]

1) Three Talls - Seems its being considered as a press breaker... IMO will only work if Ryder or Hille stays in the forward line and we get some decent crumbing ability ...

2) Carlisle - Good to have two switch hitters in the team ... would be fun to rotate CHF and CHB to unsettle opposition

3) Dempsey to the Wing - no firm opinion on this one ...

4) Gus Monfries - more important than where he plays is where he is in his headspace ... when he is switched on he can be a killer forward or mid ... when he isn't - he hangs back, tries to milk frees and can be a liability... lets hope this is the year he really steps up.

[little_ripper]

1. Three rucks I am not sold on. Ryder and Bellchambers must play out of the middle. Paddy in particular is meant to play on the ball, thats his position. As mentioned by others I think that might place us one small short...

2. Not sure on Carlisle. Simply for his excellent marking ability, you would think the forward line suits him. But with the forward line already having Hurley, Crameri and a resting ruck as a pretty much lock. (i regard Hurley and Crammers work when the ball hits the deck to be too good to not have them both forward). Then you have the slight(and i mean slight) possiblity that gumbleton actually comes good.

3. Dempsey...who knows really. Needs to fight his way back into the team first. May not be the same player after his reco.

4. Monfries. dunno about gus. I don't see throwing him anywhere as being particularly tactical.

I'd rather know what people think the EFC backline should look like(and consider it post fletcher). Pears, Hooker, Hardingham? Who else?

[Gimps]

Actually, I've got something to add regarding Angus Monfries. Two things that I don't want to see is him going for speccies when it's not needed, and him trying to out-mark our talls in packs.

Shits me.

[Windy_Hill]

2. Have you given up on Gumby lol? .

Not if it means coughing up a Fifty to Gimper. As long as the great man breaths, he is a chance for my Top 22

[rockhole]

Actually, I've got something to add regarding Angus Monfries. Two things that I don't want to see is him going for speccies when it's not needed, and him trying to out-mark our talls in packs.

Shits me.

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