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You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:55 pm
by Windy_Hill
This guy is an idiot - Please someone tell me this is just an infantile troll rubbing one out while Mum isnt watching??


Essendon aren't the finals lock you think they are, and here's why

William Cornwill
Roar Pro
8 hours ago

Essendon have been all the rave this off season in the football world, with many pundits predicting them to make the top four.
At the very least they’re predicted to get back into September action, which they missed last year after a horrible first half of the season.

I think the main reason for this is because the Bombers won seven of their last ten games last year, to narrowly miss the finals.

However, they had an easy draw in the back half of the season. They beat Port Adelaide, St Kilda, Sydney, Fremantle, Gold Coast, North Melbourne and West Coast in those games.

Granted, the West Coast win was fantastic – beating them in Western Australia is incredibly difficult.

Barring that, they only beat one team who made the finals in Sydney, who lost to Gold Coast the week before.

The positions, at the end of the year, of the teams they beat on that run, were: ninth, 17th, 14th, 16th and tenth. Hardly good opposition.

I think the main question is always where a team can improve, and whether they can improve more than the teams above them and around them.

Essendon aren’t, and won’t be, better than any of Richmond, Collingwood, Melbourne and West Coast this year.

They simply don’t have the talent or system to do that. Greater Western Sydney have more scope to improve than Essendon, as do Adelaide, who played in a grand final two years ago.

That’s six teams who are more talented than them, and you could easily argue that Geelong’s midfield in Patrick Dangerfield, Gary Ablett, Joel Selwood, Mitch Duncan and Tim Kelly can see them still play finals football.

Essendon were active again in this year’s trade period, trading in midfielder Dylan Shiel from Greater Western Sydney. Club and supporters alike were excited by that acquisition.

The thing is… he’s not that good. He’s never averaged more than 28 disposals across a year, and never kicked more than fifteen goals.

Essendon’s midfield was a major issue last year, and I can’t see that changing this year.

The core midfield will group will be Dyson Heppell, Zach Merrett, Dylan Shiel, David Zaharakis, Devon Smith and Andrew McGrath.

McGrath is unproven, and Shiel and Heppell aren’t great by foot. Tom Bellchambers isn’t even close to the top five ruckmen, so they won’t be getting first use again either.

The defence is still worrying. Hooker and Hurley are both very good defenders, the former is probably top three in the league. However, the lack of depth in that back six is astounding.

Marty Gleeson, Conor McKenna and Adam Saad will come undone against the good teams. Saad and McKenna just don’t have a football brain – yes it’s good to take the game on, but the amount of times they got caught running out of defence last season needs urgent attention.

The forward line is better, however it isn’t fantastic. The fortunes of Joe Daniher could make or break Essendon’s season.

Without him, Shaun McKernan and James Stewart just aren’t going to get it done as the two pillars of the forward line.

Nobody really knows where Daniher is at. Some people are saying he will be fine to play in Round 1, and some are saying he’s struggling to train still.

The small forwards are pretty potent, led by one of the best small forwards in the competition, in Orazio Fantasia.

Jake Stringer and Anthony McDonald–Tipungwuti accompany him to make a good small forward line. But again, they need Daniher there.

The game plan probably needs an overhaul too, if they are going to be a top team. When you look at all of the top teams of the last few years, none of them have had that free-flowing, all-out attack game plan the Bombers do.

Hawthorn relied on precise kicking, moving slow or fast, to win games. Richmond play a somewhat scrappy game, and always win the territory battle which leads to scores, and also an easy transition back into defence. The Western Bulldogs played a similar brand in the year they won their premiership.

A game plan that revolves around attacking and playing on at all costs, will simply not work in the modern game. It’s the exact reason that Essendon conceded such a big amount of goals most weeks last year.

For those people saying that Essendon are a ‘lock’ for the finals – well, they are kidding themselves.

They have major question marks all throughout their team. Starting from their depth in their best 22 (and especially their depth from that 22 – 26 player mark), to whether Joe Daniher will be fit, and whether they have enough improvement in them, to go past seven or eight pretty good teams.

Essendon could make finals – but it’s far from a done deal.

Re: You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:30 pm
by s'dreams
Reasonable article given the mutterings and observations of those in here over the past season.

My biggest beef is the line "Essendon aren’t, and won’t be, better than any of Richmond, Collingwood, Melbourne and West Coast this year."

Collingwood 2 years ago was shit and Melbourne aint guaranteed to replicate 2018 given they will be getting a tougher draw. And don't start me about Adelaide.

In the end, its all relative.

Re: You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:14 am
by Rover99
It's a lump of SHITE and I'll stake my reputation on that. So many negatives eg. - injuries and new combinations of players in other teams after this draft seem to be ignored while our player group has been quietly consolidating with several valuable additions in the midfield and ruck. Also ignored is our progression out of hell (3 seasons clear now) and every year away is a huge plus. Plus our stunning away wins last year with top up players. Playing down our achievments in thrashing nearly every top 8 team, including GWS) last year, playing down our second half effort as "nothing much" and slagging great players like Shiel and Saad. Oh, and our reserves are looking stronger than ever too. Nice try arseholes. Actions speak louder that words and the Bombers will be firing in 2019. May our mosquito bite you savagely on your testicles!

Re: You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:13 am
by BenDoolan
I got no issue with that article. They make reasonable points. I’d rather read an article like that than some hyped up song and dance that we’re going to blast the competition.

In saying that, they can’t see how we’re going to improve over teams like Richmond, West Coast etc. Just getting rid of Colyer improves our team enormously. Our Clanger Hangar rating will significantly drop, meaning the quality of our football will be far better. That’s a good start!

Re: You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:36 am
by Crazyman
Yep, no issues with that. Not everyone is on a bandwagon and a healthy dose of critical thinking doesn’t hurt.

That said, I am more optimistic than that article at present, but will hype up if we are in top4 mid year, win Anzac Day and beat and/or compete with the better sides.

Re: You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:02 am
by boncer34
Reads like it was written by a 16 year old Carlton fan from his mums basement.

I don't mind constructive criticism but what a load of shit, "Shiel has never averaged more then this arbitrary number of possessions therefore isn't going to be the A grade they need."

"Saad and McKenna don't have football brains and get caught heaps."

Uh huh, ok.

Re: You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:05 am
by boncer34
"Bellchambers isn't top 5 so they wont get first use again"

Sorry forgot every other team played a top 5 ruckman. FFS Richmond won a flag playing Toby Nanfuckingkervis, the Bulldogs with Tom freaking Boyd.

Re: You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:02 am
by grassy1
I’ll only be convinced if we win a Minimum Of 16,therefore Top 4,then cure our case of Bad Stagefright in September.

Re: You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:51 am
by BenDoolan
boncer34 wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:05 am
"Bellchambers isn't top 5 so they wont get first use again"

Sorry forgot every other team played a top 5 ruckman. FFS Richmond won a flag playing Toby Nanfuckingkervis, the Bulldogs with Tom freaking Boyd.
Take it easy Bonce. It’s only words :)

Best way to throw it back in their face would be for the players to blitz it.

Over to them.

Re: You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:54 am
by boncer34
BenDoolan wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:51 am
boncer34 wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:05 am
"Bellchambers isn't top 5 so they wont get first use again"

Sorry forgot every other team played a top 5 ruckman. FFS Richmond won a flag playing Toby Nanfuckingkervis, the Bulldogs with Tom freaking Boyd.
Take it easy Bonce. It’s only words :)

Best way to throw it back in their face would be for the players to blitz it.

Over to them.
It literally reads like "Essendon are shit for reasons I've made up and if you disagree you're a dumb face."

Bet that wanker never leaves the Roar.

Re: You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:41 am
by hop
Opinions are like arseholes.

Yet, I have no issue with this article.

In 2018 we won all but one game interstate - yet lost all but one game at the MCG.

Predictions are fraught my friends.......Keeping a healthy list will help.

Re: You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:15 pm
by boncer34
hop wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:41 am
Opinions are like arseholes.

Yet, I have no issue with this article.

In 2018 we won all but one game interstate - yet lost all but one game at the MCG.

Predictions are fraught my friends.......Keeping a healthy list will help.
You have no issue with an article that is half pure garbage?

How?

I get he's entitled to his opinion but his opinion is built on absurd rationale.

Re: You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:16 pm
by nudder12
boncer34 wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:15 pm
hop wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:41 am
Opinions are like arseholes.

Yet, I have no issue with this article.

In 2018 we won all but one game interstate - yet lost all but one game at the MCG.

Predictions are fraught my friends.......Keeping a healthy list will help.
You have no issue with an article that is half pure garbage?

How?

I get he's entitled to his opinion but his opinion is built on absurd rationale.
Ahhh Boncer....you need to read more widely methinks.
There's barely an article anywhere these days that genuinely meets a definition of "proper journalism". Most articles about anything are just opinion pieces. It's the world we live in, sadly.

Re: You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:54 pm
by Rover99
boncer34 wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:02 am
Reads like it was written by a 16 year old Carlton fan from his mums basement.

I don't mind constructive criticism but what a load of shit, "Shiel has never averaged more then this arbitrary number of possessions therefore isn't going to be the A grade they need."

"Saad and McKenna don't have football brains and get caught heaps."

Uh huh, ok.
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No, this one is different. It's not about optimism, it's about logic.
His statements are so over the top, they sound like they were thought up by Donald Trump on his morning wank on the crapper. And his conclusions dont match the logic he uses. So Belly never won the centre all year, didn't he??? And Saad fmd, got caught every time he set foot out of defence 8-[ 8-[ Sheil is a nobody with shithouse stats....yeah, that's why half the league would have given their balls for him. Say something stupid long and hard enough and you believe it. Or get off the toilet and get back to reality.

Re: You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:10 pm
by Rover99
grassy1 wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:02 am
I’ll only be convinced if we win a Minimum Of 16,therefore Top 4,then cure our case of Bad Stagefright in September.
...........................................................................................................
Grassy If we roar into August like the Indian Pacific with some serious scalps on our belts, (16 wins), bad stagefright should be a thing of the past. Here's hoping anyway. :D :D

Re: You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:37 am
by grassy1
Sheeds’ boys took 3 attempts to get past our Infamous Eliminitis Bouts.

Hopefully Worsfold’s lads can get past Week 1 as well.Having a Double chance might help. [-o<

Re: You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:07 am
by boncer34
nudder12 wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:16 pm
boncer34 wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:15 pm
hop wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:41 am
Opinions are like arseholes.

Yet, I have no issue with this article.

In 2018 we won all but one game interstate - yet lost all but one game at the MCG.

Predictions are fraught my friends.......Keeping a healthy list will help.
You have no issue with an article that is half pure garbage?

How?

I get he's entitled to his opinion but his opinion is built on absurd rationale.
Ahhh Boncer....you need to read more widely methinks.
There's barely an article anywhere these days that genuinely meets a definition of "proper journalism". Most articles about anything are just opinion pieces. It's the world we live in, sadly.
That doesn't mean we should have no issues with it.

Re: You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:29 pm
by hop
boncer34 wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:15 pm
hop wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:41 am
Opinions are like arseholes.

Yet, I have no issue with this article.

In 2018 we won all but one game interstate - yet lost all but one game at the MCG.

Predictions are fraught my friends.......Keeping a healthy list will help.
You have no issue with an article that is half pure garbage?

How?

I get he's entitled to his opinion but his opinion is built on absurd rationale.
Therefore it shouldn't elicit a considered response.

Re: You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:01 am
by Windy Hille
Like most opinions and predictions...the proof of the pudding is in the eating. We shall see.

Re: You Have to Read This from The Roar

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:58 am
by grassy1
boncer34 wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:54 am
BenDoolan wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:51 am
boncer34 wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:05 am
"Bellchambers isn't top 5 so they wont get first use again"

Sorry forgot every other team played a top 5 ruckman. FFS Richmond won a flag playing Toby Nanfuckingkervis, the Bulldogs with Tom freaking Boyd.
Take it easy Bonce. It’s only words :)

Best way to throw it back in their face would be for the players to blitz it.

Over to them.
It literally reads like "Essendon are shit for reasons I've made up and if you disagree you're a dumb face."

Bet that wanker never leaves the Roar.
That’s one way of putting his view. :lol: