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Re: Goal Kicking

Post by F111 » Mon May 20, 2019 4:49 pm

I watch Daniher kick for goal and wonder if he knows there's a difference between kicking thru the ball and kicking the cover off it.

He seems to try to kick the cover off it too often.

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Re: Goal Kicking

Post by Windy Hille » Mon May 20, 2019 6:49 pm

robbie67 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 4:08 pm
Daniher had the one good kicking game at the MCG on his return off a long injury, mostly goals where he didn’t overthink it. Like anybody who has spent more than few years on our list he is a f****** mental cripple. Doesn’t matter how talented they are they become f****** head cases, and don’t get any good again until they go somewhere else. For now Tippa and Raz are on, but it’s like Essendon AIDS, it will get you eventually. Parish may already be full blown, and slowly McGrath is exposing his HIV. Our senior players should either f*** off or retire, they won’t get any better. And I mean all of them. Hurley, Hep, the lot. Absolute f****** cripples without a single backbone between them.
Just for the record, big Joe has...

MCG: 70 goals, 45 behinds = 60% accuracy
Marvel: 83 goals, 69 behinds = 54% accuracy

You would think that accuracy would be better at a venue that is protected from the elements. It seems other factors make it less so.

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Re: Goal Kicking

Post by Windy Hille » Mon May 20, 2019 6:52 pm

Gimps wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 4:27 pm
Windy Hille wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 10:30 pm
I think there must be something about the density of the air with the roof closed. It must have an affect on the ball as it travels through the air. Some of the kicks appear to just die on trajectory. Whether that is heavier air as it has nowhere to go, I don't know. But there must be some sort of problem with the roof being closed and the air being trapped and rebounding back down to the ground . How can Daniher kick goals from 60 metres out at the MCG, but seem to lose all sort of shape inside 50 at Marvel???????????
Geelong kicked 16 goals there, last week. They must have had the engineers and scientists on the job before the game :lol:
I think they adapt well to the stadium due to kicking goals from closer to goal. They always seem to get a lot of Joe the gooses happening. Maybe that’s the answer? Kicking goals within 25 metres at Marvel!

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Re: Goal Kicking

Post by BenDoolan » Mon May 20, 2019 7:46 pm

Windy Hille wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 10:30 pm
I think there must be something about the density of the air with the roof closed. It must have an affect on the ball as it travels through the air. Some of the kicks appear to just die on trajectory. Whether that is heavier air as it has nowhere to go, I don't know. But there must be some sort of problem with the roof being closed and the air being trapped and rebounding back down to the ground . How can Daniher kick goals from 60 metres out at the MCG, but seem to lose all sort of shape inside 50 at Marvel???????????
But haven’t we got an indoor centre at the “High Performance Centre” at Tullamarine? Do they not practice this crap at the club? Or do they just practice to be crap??

When are we going to ask the hard questions at our club? We have been a tenant at Docklands for 19 years. Don’t you think they’d be used to the atmospheric pressure by now? Or at least have some sort of understanding of it (if it is an actual thing)?

Maybe we should do a pre-season with NASA on the international space station in zero gravity. Might help them kick the ball through the air with relative ease...
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Re: Goal Kicking

Post by robbie67 » Mon May 20, 2019 8:06 pm

BenDoolan wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 7:46 pm
Windy Hille wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 10:30 pm
I think there must be something about the density of the air with the roof closed. It must have an affect on the ball as it travels through the air. Some of the kicks appear to just die on trajectory. Whether that is heavier air as it has nowhere to go, I don't know. But there must be some sort of problem with the roof being closed and the air being trapped and rebounding back down to the ground . How can Daniher kick goals from 60 metres out at the MCG, but seem to lose all sort of shape inside 50 at Marvel???????????
But haven’t we got an indoor centre at the “High Performance Centre” at Tullamarine? Do they not practice this crap at the club? Or do they just practice to be crap??

When are we going to ask the hard questions at our club? We have been a tenant at Docklands for 19 years. Don’t you think they’d be used to the atmospheric pressure by now? Or at least have some sort of understanding of it (if it is an actual thing)?

Maybe we should do a pre-season with NASA on the international space station in zero gravity. Might help them kick the ball through the air with relative ease...
You might be on to something Benny. We play like Uranus.

The sample size to produce the 54/60% is just way too small to be considered relevant.

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Re: Goal Kicking

Post by s'dreams » Mon May 20, 2019 9:37 pm

Windy Hille wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 6:49 pm
robbie67 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 4:08 pm
Daniher had the one good kicking game at the MCG on his return off a long injury, mostly goals where he didn’t overthink it. Like anybody who has spent more than few years on our list he is a f****** mental cripple. Doesn’t matter how talented they are they become f****** head cases, and don’t get any good again until they go somewhere else. For now Tippa and Raz are on, but it’s like Essendon AIDS, it will get you eventually. Parish may already be full blown, and slowly McGrath is exposing his HIV. Our senior players should either f*** off or retire, they won’t get any better. And I mean all of them. Hurley, Hep, the lot. Absolute f****** cripples without a single backbone between them.
Just for the record, big Joe has...

MCG: 70 goals, 45 behinds = 60% accuracy
Marvel: 83 goals, 69 behinds = 54% accuracy

You would think that accuracy would be better at a venue that is protected from the elements. It seems other factors make it less so.
Cannot use these numbers without including the number of OOF... and the number that fell short (sadly far too many).

You may wish to cross reference the dew point of the air, wind factor, what he had for breckky and whether he was nice to his mum that day.

If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything (see the correlation between the number of Nick Cage movies per year and the number of pool drownings in the USA).
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Re: Goal Kicking

Post by BenDoolan » Mon May 20, 2019 10:01 pm

Just checked our record overall...

MCG: 51% accuracy across 471 matches

Docklands: 55% accuracy across 180 matches

Seems the air in there falls mainly on their hair
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Re: Goal Kicking

Post by Windy Hille » Tue May 21, 2019 8:27 am

BenDoolan wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 10:01 pm
Just checked our record overall...

MCG: 51% accuracy across 471 matches

Docklands: 55% accuracy across 180 matches

Seems the air in there falls mainly on their hair
Well, that’s a surprise. Could it be that early days at Docklands the roof was open during day games? This would mean the affect of dense air would not be a factor in those games.

You would probably need to look at games that were exclusively played with the roof closed. There could also be a factor of capacity crowds adding to the atmospheric pressure (breathing / yelling etc).

Makes you wonder :-k

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Re: Goal Kicking

Post by grassy1 » Tue May 21, 2019 9:07 am

The 1st ever game at the Dome,the Roof was open wasn’t it?But after that,it was closed.

Apart from THAT Doggies game,we Won everything else.Mind you,we had SHEER CLASS representing us,as opposed to what we have now.

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Re: Goal Kicking

Post by BenDoolan » Tue May 21, 2019 1:09 pm

grassy1 wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 9:07 am
The 1st ever game at the Dome,the Roof was open wasn’t it?But after that,it was closed.

Apart from THAT Doggies game,we Won everything else.Mind you,we had SHEER CLASS representing us,as opposed to what we have now.
Well, you have Lobby Lloyd kicking 11.1, Mark Le Cras 12.2, Milne 11.0, Gehrig 10.2 and good ol’ Lobby Lloyd kicking 10.4 at the Docklands over the journey. Atmospheric pressure must be good for them...
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