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Cant even fking jump.

Very average. Not up to it. Sad to say cause I like him.

Just not fit enough & he isn't on his own

Doesnt demand the footy. Looks only to do minimal work.

Just back from the game (left halfway through the 4th), and obviously Laycock must've been as bad on TV as he was live.

Jason Laycock = Steven King. Too slow, can't jump, doesn't do anything around the ground. I know with Steven King (Geelong ruckman), the game has passed him by because of injuries and rule changes. I don't know to what extent Laycock has been afflicted in the same way, but he sucked today and reminded me exactly of the pathetic Steven King that Geelong have dropped.

Tooooo soft.

He needs to take some lessons from Davey about work ethic on the park.

I always thought that Cartledge was a better option than Laycock. He showed a bit in the few games he played towards the end of last year. That was probably why he got delisted and they kept Laycock

swoodley wrote:I always thought that Cartledge was a better option than Laycock. He showed a bit in the few games he played towards the end of last year. That was probably why he got delisted and they kept Laycock

AND he was only 21 I think, and everybody knows that ruckmen take a while to develop. Except for Sheeds obviously.

Although Hille has hardly improved over the years.

probably couldnt beat a jam tin in a ruck contest

j-mac wrote:

swoodley wrote:I always thought that Cartledge was a better option than Laycock. He showed a bit in the few games he played towards the end of last year. That was probably why he got delisted and they kept Laycock

AND he was only 21 I think, and everybody knows that ruckmen take a while to develop. Except for Sheeds obviously.

Although Hille has hardly improved over the years.

I think Sheeds and the recruiting panel were on the money delisting Cartlage.

I know big men develop later, but surely they have to show some improvement early even if it is only minimal. Neither Cartlage or Laycock have shown any improvement, Laycock gets another year because injuries mean we havnt got a look at him. Id say at the end of this year he might end up playing back with Cartlage if he doesnt improve remarkably.

Whilst as long as Hill keeps teasing us with the occasional dominating performance around the ground Sheeds will persist with him even though he has never shown anything when it comes to ruckwork. IMO Hill would make an excellent second ruckman/forward so the only real issue there is that he has incorrectly been trusted with the no.1 ruck duties for far too long.

Ryder be developed with the view that he will be a No.1 ruck. This crap about wearing him out is exactly that, CRAP!!. Brogan, Cox, White, Simmonds and most of all Lade have proven a good strong ruckman can handle the role and are no more prone to injury than any others.

Hopefully, we can transition the No.1 ruck to Ryder slowely over the next 2 years and Hill can end his career, playing as a second string and a very handy one at that.

good player, needs a decent run in the seniors to blossom and will do so.

good footy brain, good grab.

You'll all be eating your words by season end.

i hope so tom, i hope so or else we find ourseleves with another problem

Mmmn I can't help but remember him playing well a couple fo years ago in the forward pocket taking strong contested marks so the ability is there but not being shown at the moment.

oh and Jason Laycock has managed 28 senior games.

I think posters on this board are being a little tough on the bloke...I think he has the hallmarks of a champion.

I certainly don't think Jonathan Brown for example was the player he is now after 28 games.

With some good player management and a little bit of luck Laycock will play nearly all 22 games this season.

Essendon has always been in a position to be a real threat in 08/09...not 07.

We got the jump on some decent opponents(adelaide/freo/st kilda) when those teams were either gutted through injury or underprepared.

the EFC obviously had an excellent pre-season, because we hit the ground running.....now every other club is up and going is where it gets tough.

tom9779 wrote:oh and Jason Laycock has managed 28 senior games.

I think posters on this board are being a little tough on the bloke...I think he has the hallmarks of a champion.

I certainly don't think Jonathan Brown for example was the player he is now after 28 games.

With some good player management and a little bit of luck Laycock will play nearly all 22 games this season.

Essendon has always been in a position to be a real threat in 08/09...not 07.

We got the jump on some decent opponents(adelaide/freo/st kilda) when those teams were either gutted through injury or underprepared.

the EFC obviously had an excellent pre-season, because we hit the ground running.....now every other club is up and going is where it gets tough.

Yes, but Paddy Ryder's only played 15 games and he shits all over him as a ruckman already. Not to mention that Ryder's only spent 5 minutes in the ruck compared to Laycock. This is his 5th season on the list and he has just been rewarded another contract. Time to produce!!!! I like the bloke, but he's been a huge disappointment no matter how much spin you put on it.

Sol wrote:

j-mac wrote:

swoodley wrote:I always thought that Cartledge was a better option than Laycock. He showed a bit in the few games he played towards the end of last year. That was probably why he got delisted and they kept Laycock

AND he was only 21 I think, and everybody knows that ruckmen take a while to develop. Except for Sheeds obviously.

Although Hille has hardly improved over the years.

I think Sheeds and the recruiting panel were on the money delisting Cartlage.

I know big men develop later, but surely they have to show some improvement early even if it is only minimal. Neither Cartlage or Laycock have shown any improvement, Laycock gets another year because injuries mean we havnt got a look at him. Id say at the end of this year he might end up playing back with Cartlage if he doesnt improve remarkably.

Whilst as long as Hill keeps teasing us with the occasional dominating performance around the ground Sheeds will persist with him even though he has never shown anything when it comes to ruckwork. IMO Hill would make an excellent second ruckman/forward so the only real issue there is that he has incorrectly been trusted with the no.1 ruck duties for far too long.

Ryder be developed with the view that he will be a No.1 ruck. This crap about wearing him out is exactly that, CRAP!!. Brogan, Cox, White, Simmonds and most of all Lade have proven a good strong ruckman can handle the role and are no more prone to injury than any others.

Hopefully, we can transition the No.1 ruck to Ryder slowely over the next 2 years and Hill can end his career, playing as a second string and a very handy one at that.

Definitely agree on Ryder and that crap. I agree in part with what you say about Hille, but I don't think he'd be an excellent back up, just a good one.

But I really disagree on Cartledge. Yes injuries have prevented us from seeing the best of Laycock, but Sheeds prevented us from seeing any of Cartledge unless we went and watched Bendigo. Cartledge didn't show improvement because he didn't get games early, he just showed very good potential. If you are going to only keep one developing ruckman out of two with potential, surely you'd keep the one who gets onto the park more often!?

No preseason, still developing. When he learns to use his bulk he will be a very competitve ruckman.

BenDoolan wrote:

tom9779 wrote:oh and Jason Laycock has managed 28 senior games.

I think posters on this board are being a little tough on the bloke...I think he has the hallmarks of a champion.

I certainly don't think Jonathan Brown for example was the player he is now after 28 games.

With some good player management and a little bit of luck Laycock will play nearly all 22 games this season.

Essendon has always been in a position to be a real threat in 08/09...not 07.

We got the jump on some decent opponents(adelaide/freo/st kilda) when those teams were either gutted through injury or underprepared.

the EFC obviously had an excellent pre-season, because we hit the ground running.....now every other club is up and going is where it gets tough.

Yes, but Paddy Ryder's only played 15 games and he shits all over him as a ruckman already. Not to mention that Ryder's only spent 5 minutes in the ruck compared to Laycock. This is his 5th season on the list and he has just been rewarded another contract. Time to produce!!!! I like the bloke, but he's been a huge disappointment no matter how much spin you put on it.

Ryder is a very special player.

could be our next brownlow medalist in years to come.

Laycock will produce this season.

tom9779 wrote: Ryder is a very special player.

could be our next brownlow medalist in years to come.

Laycock will produce this season.

I hope so....we need him to. Hopefully starting on Friday night!

Ryder is a gun, we gotta look after this guy. Real class.