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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:42 am
Less than 0.1% reduction in carbon emissions since the tax was introduced. FMD
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In it's first year. With no noticable financial effect. Let's get rid of it.....BenDoolan wrote:Less than 0.1% reduction in carbon emissions since the tax was introduced. FMD
Yeah, lets persist with it because certain dickheads who only use 0.1% of their brains reckon it's a good thingSismis wrote:In it's first year. With no noticable financial effect. Let's get rid of it.....BenDoolan wrote:Less than 0.1% reduction in carbon emissions since the tax was introduced. FMD
I don't disagree on the second part, but I'm not sure about the first. Past (non-election) polls suggest that plenty of people in fact want some form of carbon tax/ETS.boncer34 wrote:Like it or hate it the people voted to dump the Carbon Tax, they voted to let the Liberals lead.
Once again great reasoning from the great Ben Doolan. "I don't agree with it based on one stat I read somewhere, therefore if you do, you are a dickhead who doesn't think."BenDoolan wrote:Yeah, lets persist with it because certain dickheads who only use 0.1% of their brains reckon it's a good thingSismis wrote:In it's first year. With no noticable financial effect. Let's get rid of it.....BenDoolan wrote:Less than 0.1% reduction in carbon emissions since the tax was introduced. FMD
Once again great argument to support it. "It's only the first year" therefore I assume that you believe that next year will yield 25%, and the year after 75%, and 100% the next.Sismis wrote:Once again great reasoning from the great Ben Doolan. "I don't agree with it based on one stat I read somewhere, therefore if you do, you are a dickhead who doesn't think."BenDoolan wrote:Yeah, lets persist with it because certain dickheads who only use 0.1% of their brains reckon it's a good thingSismis wrote:In it's first year. With no noticable financial effect. Let's get rid of it.....BenDoolan wrote:Less than 0.1% reduction in carbon emissions since the tax was introduced. FMD
It's only in it's first year AND it had no noticeable effect on prices. Exactly what timeframe would you expect wholesale changes to industry practice to occur?BenDoolan wrote:Once again great argument to support it. "It's only the first year" therefore I assume that you believe that next year will yield 25%, and the year after 75%, and 100% the next.Sismis wrote:Once again great reasoning from the great Ben Doolan. "I don't agree with it based on one stat I read somewhere, therefore if you do, you are a dickhead who doesn't think."BenDoolan wrote:Yeah, lets persist with it because certain dickheads who only use 0.1% of their brains reckon it's a good thingSismis wrote:In it's first year. With no noticable financial effect. Let's get rid of it.....BenDoolan wrote:Less than 0.1% reduction in carbon emissions since the tax was introduced. FMD
Keep trying convince us that the world depends on this shit....
I'd expect a bit more than 0.1%. But that's me.Sismis wrote:
It's only in it's first year AND it had no noticeable effect on prices. Exactly what timeframe would you expect wholesale changes to industry practice to occur?
Yes, they are so convinced that they're doing SFA about it.I don't have to convince the world. The majority of Australia and rest of the world are already convinced.
CLIMATE CHANGE leads to more extreme weather overall whether that be extreme heat and days of 47 as in 2007 in Melb, hurricanes in Europe over the weekend, more frequent and bad hurricanes in the US, more frequent storms as in Typhoon Haiyan in the Philippines, melting polar ice caps and yes weird cold weather in our summer involving snow. Trying to equate the effects of climate change with 'oh its not hot all the time means its not happening' is naive in the extreme. The term global warming refers to the general greenhouse effect on the earth's weather systems caused by the amount of C02 we are pumping into the atmosphere. However that doesn't mean all the effects of that wholesale warming will cause the entire place to be uniformly hotter. The extreme weather events and the frequency of them is how climate changes is showing itself. The earth IS overall hotter that it would otherwise have been and unless we curtail greenhouse gas emissions we could be looking at a rise of 4 degrees Celsius. A rise of that nature would completely change the world as we know it.Anyway, we may need to burn more carbon just to heat up the place a little. We've just been through the coldest November in decades. Probably heading for the coldest December on record. Even had snow the other day.
Melting polar ice caps?MH_Bomber wrote:BenDoolan for someone that is usually a reasonable person on most issues I astounded you could write;
CLIMATE CHANGE leads to more extreme weather overall whether that be extreme heat and days of 47 as in 2007 in Melb, hurricanes in Europe over the weekend, more frequent and bad hurricanes in the US, more frequent storms as in Typhoon Haiyan in the Philippines, melting polar ice caps and yes weird cold weather in our summer involving snow. Trying to equate the effects of climate change with 'oh its not hot all the time means its not happening' is naive in the extreme. The term global warming refers to the general greenhouse effect on the earth's weather systems caused by the amount of C02 we are pumping into the atmosphere. However that doesn't mean all the effects of that wholesale warming will cause the entire place to be uniformly hotter. The extreme weather events and the frequency of them is how climate changes is showing itself. The earth IS overall hotter that it would otherwise have been and unless we curtail greenhouse gas emissions we could be looking at a rise of 4 degrees Celsius. A rise of that nature would completely change the world as we know it.Anyway, we may need to burn more carbon just to heat up the place a little. We've just been through the coldest November in decades. Probably heading for the coldest December on record. Even had snow the other day.
Also what is your source on the 0.1% claim ?
Is the Australian National Greenhouse Gas Inventory run by Murdoch these days?Flip wrote:The .01% came from Murdoch.
In the Renewable Industry it is more like 10%.
Gee.....hard one that as to believe.
What part of this do you not understand ? I reel off a series of extreme weather events and mention that these are happening more frequently because of man made C02 emissions stuffing up the natural ebbs and flows and you still seek to misrepresent me.CLIMATE CHANGE leads to more extreme weather overall whether that be extreme heat and days of 47 as in 2007 in Melb, hurricanes in Europe over the weekend, more frequent and bad hurricanes in the US, more frequent storms as in Typhoon Haiyan in the Philippines, melting polar ice caps and yes weird cold weather in our summer involving snow.
I don't understand any of it. Can you provide a link where scientists attribute man made carbon emissions to any of those weather events you've mentioned?MH_Bomber wrote:What part of this do you not understand ? I reel off a series of extreme weather events and mention that these are happening more frequently because of man made C02 emissions stuffing up the natural ebbs and flows and you still seek to misrepresent me.CLIMATE CHANGE leads to more extreme weather overall whether that be extreme heat and days of 47 as in 2007 in Melb, hurricanes in Europe over the weekend, more frequent and bad hurricanes in the US, more frequent storms as in Typhoon Haiyan in the Philippines, melting polar ice caps and yes weird cold weather in our summer involving snow.
=D>MH_Bomber wrote:The skeptic's ego astounds me. You don't understand it and yet you are prepared to poo poo thousands of scientists that have studied this exact subject matter for decades that have had their work peer reviewed.You would rather take the word of some of the ilk of Piers Akerman or Andrew Bolt over these people.
The only lobby group that gains from creating doubt over the science of climate change are the big polluters like petro chemical multi nationals and coal miner concerns. Hang on, I know, you'll trot out skeptic parrot phrase number 10. Scientists like CSIRO climate scientists are doing this big scare campaign to justify their outrageous income -Yeah right. ] (*,)
Entire think tanks like the IPA have been set up to back the big polluters. Please direct you skeptical inclinations towards mobs like this and people that spout quotes from mobs like this.
Convince you? You don't believe in "The Science". You seem incapable (unwilling) of grasping the most basic concepts when they contradict what you "know". In fact on most occasions you are unwilling to even look at contradictory evidence.BenDoolan wrote:=D>MH_Bomber wrote:The skeptic's ego astounds me. You don't understand it and yet you are prepared to poo poo thousands of scientists that have studied this exact subject matter for decades that have had their work peer reviewed.You would rather take the word of some of the ilk of Piers Akerman or Andrew Bolt over these people.
The only lobby group that gains from creating doubt over the science of climate change are the big polluters like petro chemical multi nationals and coal miner concerns. Hang on, I know, you'll trot out skeptic parrot phrase number 10. Scientists like CSIRO climate scientists are doing this big scare campaign to justify their outrageous income -Yeah right. ] (*,)
Entire think tanks like the IPA have been set up to back the big polluters. Please direct you skeptical inclinations towards mobs like this and people that spout quotes from mobs like this.
Gotta love the hysterical doomsayers. Armegeddon is a comin' all thanks to the nasty man made carbon emission. LOL!
I can make the sea rise, heat up the earth, cool it down again, grow the ice caps, create hurricanes, tsunamis, bizarre storm cells, and any other weather phenomenon just by emitting carbon.
Of course non of these events occurred before man made carbon. Such a big influence it is....
Convince me MH. But don't quote the script from The Day After Tomorrow.