The Politics Thread.

[j-mac31]

Comparing anyone to the Nazis is stupid and offensive. Even to just mention a few similar aspects.

[boncer34]

You'd have thought that he'd have slithered away when he over stepped the line.

But no he keeps on coming back.

I take back Dick.

You're a complete f***wit.

[Flip]

Comparing anyone to the Nazis is stupid and offensive. Even to just mention a few similar aspects.

J....I specifically mentioned the year 1933.

The first thing Far or Extreme Right Wing Governments when they get into power is attack the Unions, reward their Rich Benefactors, create a feeling constant emergency where there isn't one, create a straw man scenario etc.

The Nazi's did it; Thatcher did it and look at the way the majority of Poms reacted to her death; Reagan did it and less than 5% of the US (The Worlds richest 3rd World Country) workforce is unionised and 40% live at or below the poverty line with no Medicare (under attack here.... again)...bugger all social security...like to live there? Pinochet in Chile....the Generals in Argentina.... on and on it goes and Phoney is doing all of the above and more.

The Nazis were bad enough in 33 but really excelled themselves after January 1942 Wansee' Conference.....the commencement of production line genocide.

And we hear today that 85 people have more wealth than 3.5billion of their fellow human beings on the planet.....obviously good working class folk those 85.

[BERT]

Dig up Flip, dig up.

[robbie67]

Dig up Flip, dig up.

He might find Hitler's bunker.

[Sismis]

I'm not sure how you can show the achievements of the Labor movement and find any correlation with what we are being dished up from the party of the same name ATM.

As for NAZI politics, every major modern political party (at least here and in the US) has taken notes on their success and use their ideas in every campaign.

[Flip]

Very much so Sis. Very disillusioned with Labor and their lack of grunt ATM although their achievement reform wise 2010-13 was outstanding; NDIS, Gonski, Murray Darling, Carbon Price etc in difficult circumstances.

See what the year brings. Going to be ugly after Phoney gains absolute Power in July. Maybe a case of a Coalition of the Greens and ALP; keep the good stuff and chuck out the bad. We will see what we see.

[MH_Bomber]

I am not disappointed at all with them.

Given the time in the election cycle its unheard of for the Opposition to be ahead in all the virtually all polls so soon after the election.

Shorten will surprise a hell of a lot of people.

[MH_Bomber]

I just laughed my head off about a story I just heard into why the navy breached Indonesian waters in turning back asylum seekers.

Apparently they were working with the wrong maps

Perhaps this may help the navy !!!!

[Flip]

Yeah MH, they must have downloaded that map into the GPS thingamagigs, that can tell where you are in the World to 6 decimal points latitude and longitude. Even the old man's Navigator in World War 2, 70 years with a pencil, ruler, map, dividers and if necessary looking at the stars in the sky window (forgot the name ...astrostrobe???) could get his plane and crew to within a hundred or so metres of their destination..... in the dark.....and people shooting at them.

"Inadvertent" in a $500m 2013 Warship? Bullshit!

[BenDoolan]

Yeah MH, they must have downloaded that map into the GPS thingamagigs, that can tell where you are in the World to 6 decimal points latitude and longitude. Even the old man's Navigator in World War 2, 70 years with a pencil, ruler, map, dividers and if necessary looking at the stars in the sky window (forgot the name ...astrostrobe???) could get his plane and crew to within a hundred or so metres of their destination..... in the dark.....and people shooting at them.

"Inadvertent" in a $500m 2013 Warship? Bullshit!

What sort of navigational system did USS Vincennes have when it shot down an Iranian civilian jet in 1988?

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Benny

Navigational Systems are different fro Target Acquisition and Firing systems...... but as my Dad said a joke during the war was:

When the English, French, Canadians and Poles fly over etc., the Krauts took cover.

When the Krauts flew over, the English, French, Canadians and Poles fly over etc., took cover.

When the Yanks flew over... EVERYONE took cover.....

Coincidentally Bob Maguire said this this yesterday:


"From here he skipped effortlessly into a ruthlessly truthful analysis of our misguided and tragic participation in that war, although for him at least the Australians had performed creditably ''while the Americans did what they usually do, which is drop bloody napalm over everyone and try to kill the lot of them with one shot''.

Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-new ... z2r7MKHF2V

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$7.30's Lee Sails interviews Tony Abbott over reports three Indonesian Naval vessels have entered Australia’s territorial waters near Darwin.

Studio: And now to some breaking news. Reports are coming in that three Indonesian Naval vessels have entered Australia’s territorial waters near Darwin. Eyewitnesses report the vessels were escorting four boats containing asylum seekers that they had towed from Indonesia to Australia.

We cross now to our chief naval reporter, Lee Sails, in Canberra where the Prime Minister has agreed to come out of hiding to answer some questions.

Lee Sails: Good morning Prime Minister. What can you tell us about the presence of the Indonesian Navy in Australian waters?

Tony Abbott: Well, let me make this crystal clear, Lee, crystal clear. Australia will not tolerate any unauthorized incursions into Australian territory. I’ve written a letter to President Yudhoyono, making that crystal clear. We have put the entire Australian fleet on standby and many ships on duty in the Middle-East have been recalled to defend the homeland.

Lee Sails: Isn’t that an over-reaction, Prime Minister?

Tony Abbott: No, it’s not an over-reaction, Lee. This is a very serious matter. It is an incursion into our sovereign territory. Darwin could be wiped off the map. That is why our response has been to work our way slowly, and carefully, and methodically through the situation as it now stands.

Lee Sails: So what exactly are you proposing to do?

Tony Abbott: We have a plan, Lee, we have a plan. A positive plan for Australia’s defence. I have put the country on a war footing and upgraded Operation Sovereign Borders to Operation Homeland Defence. Scott Morrison has been appointed Minister for War and First Lord of the Admiralty.

Lee Sails: First Lord of the Admiralty? Isn’t that a British appointment?

Tony Abbott: That’s right, Lee. But under my emergency powers, I’ve made a leader’s call and reinstated the British Honours System. Lord Morrison will make a statement soon. I understand he has promoted Lieutenant General Angus Campbell to Generalissimo in charge of Operation Homeland Defence.

Lee Sails: But Mr Abbott, isn’t it possible that this intrusion may have been inadvertent, perhaps as a result of a navigational error?

Tony Abbott: Well, frankly, that’s a ridiculous proposition, Lee, if I may say so. Heh, heh. You don’t have to be a tech head to know the Indonesian navy has all the latest satellite navigational equipment. You wouldn’t exactly be a suppository of wisdom if you thought that they didn’t know exactly where they were. I think you insult your viewers’ intelligence if you are asking them to believe such a ludicrous suggestion.

Lee Sails: When it’s all boiled down, isn’t Indonesia just doing what your government did in turning asylum seeker boats back to Indonesia?

Tony Abbott: Not at all. There’s a world of difference, a world of difference, between the way boats were turned back to Indonesia and the way the Indonesians are turning them back to Australia. For a start there is no bilateral agreement on them doing this. It all seems very high-handed and belligerent of them to be acting in this way.

Lee Sails: How is it different? You didn’t seek Indonesia’s approval before you imposed your policy of turning boats back on them, despite their clear and strong objections.

Tony Abbott: Now, Lee, heh heh, I think you are, ah, confusing the issue here. I don’t want get bogged down in the technicalities. The point is not to provide sport for public discussion; the point is to stop the threat to our borders. And Lee, Lee, ... if I may just add another point there. And it’s an important point. When we turned boats back to Indonesia, it was always under the proviso that it was safe to do so. Now, if Indonesia has towed these boats all the way from Java to Darwin, that’s hardly a safe undertaking at sea.

Lee Sails: So what will Foreign Minister Julie Bishop’s role be in this emergency?

Tony Abbott: Well, combat is no place for a woman, Lee. Now I know Julie has, if I may say so, a bit of sex appeal, but everyone knows women can get overemotional in these situations. So, at this time, I’ve suggested she may like to catch up on some ironing in Perth while the rest of the cabinet looks after this matter. She’ll have free travel entitlements to fly home, of course.

Lee Sails: You say that combat is no place for a woman. But didn’t you tell a group of young netballers during the election campaign that a bit of body contact never hurt anyone?

Tony Abbott: Now you are twisting my words, Lee. Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition's policy is or ever has been to exclude women. Our policy, which we've repeated till we're blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to appoint people on the basis of merit. Besides, as Andrew Bolt says, the blokes get on a lot better when there are no women around.

Lee Sails: So, who will take the role of acting foreign minister?

Tony Abbott: I’ve appointed Senator Bernadi to that position. He’s been waiting in the wings for a long time now. This is a delicate situation where we needed someone with widely recognized diplomatic credentials who can deal sensitively with the Indonesians.

Lee Sails: Mr Abbott, can you assure the Australian public that you will not raise tensions between Australia and our nearest neighbour over this matter?

Tony Abbott: I can give Australians an absolute rolled gold cast-iron clad guarantee that I won’t keep making grandiose promises that I can’t keep. I’ve never done it in the past and I’m not going to start now.

Lee Sails: I’m sorry, Prime Minister, we’ve just had word that the Indonesian Foreign Minister, Marty Natalegawa, is in our Jakarta studio. So I’ll just cross briefly to him.

Mr Natelegawa, a lot of Australians are asking why Indonesian naval vessels have breached our borders near Darwin to tow four flimsy boats on a dangerous voyage to Darwin. How do you explain your country’s actions?

Marty Natalegawa: Well, the boats weren’t flimsy at all. We found these people drifting off shore in Indonesian waters in brand new state of the art lifeboats. When we checked, we discovered that the lifeboats were owned by the Australian Navy and registered in the name of the Australian Government.

So, we are just doing the neighbourly thing and returning them to their rightful owners.

I can’t see why Australia would have a problem with that.

Lee Sails: So, are you saying these boats carrying the asylum seekers were the ones purchased by the Australian Government recently to ensure the safety of asylum seekers at sea?

Marty Natalegawa: That is correct.

Lee Sails: So, how do you respond to that, Mr Abbott?

Tony Abbott: Can I get back to you on that, Lee? I’ll have to take advice from Peta to know what the government’s position is on this one ....

[BenDoolan]

Benny

Navigational Systems are different fro Target Acquisition and Firing systems......

Yes indeed. However, the Vincennes drifted into Iranian territorial waters and then shot down one of their civilian planes!

[Flip]

Indeed.

And as I suggested the Seppos fire first and ask questions later.

In the Building Industry and Associated.....there is no room for "oops".......apparently our cousins have never cottoned onto to fire power alone doesn't win wars.

[BenDoolan]

Indeed.

And as I suggested the Seppos fire first and ask questions later.

In the Building Industry and Associated.....there is no room for "oops".......apparently our cousins have never cottoned onto to fire power alone doesn't win wars.

So that's it? Just a trigger happy cowboy nation. Doesn't really explain how they actually drifted into their waters. We are talking about a nation who put man on the moon in 1969, yet with a high tech naval cruiser in 1988, they couldn't work out their position. That ship (even though decommisioned and sold for scrap) probably is more technologically advanced than our current fleet!

[Sismis]

Our ships are actually very advanced. They did not accidentally trespass in Indonesian waters.

Are you seriously comparing 15 year old technology with what we have now? Your phone likely has more processing power and navigational capability than any that existed then......

[Flip]

Our ships are actually very advanced. They did not accidentally trespass in Indonesian waters.

Are you seriously comparing 15 year old technology with what we have now? Your phone likely has more processing power and navigational capability than any that existed then......

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[BenDoolan]

Our ships are actually very advanced. They did not accidentally trespass in Indonesian waters.

Are you seriously comparing 15 year old technology with what we have now? Your phone likely has more processing power and navigational capability than any that existed then......

I think I made a comparison where the US had the technology to pinpoint a moon landing in 1969, yet couldn't work out where they were in the Persian Gulf in 1988.

[BenDoolan]

Our ships are actually very advanced. They did not accidentally trespass in Indonesian waters.

Are you seriously comparing 15 year old technology with what we have now? Your phone likely has more processing power and navigational capability than any that existed then......

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