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surprised you didn't pick up on this one Filthy....... Oh hang on he's labour isn't he
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What he and Stag said Dodge.BenDoolan wrote:Hmm, and what are the views of the former leader of the Australian Republican Movement now that he is entrenched in a royalist Party? You know the guy....the one that saw fit to lambast the Prime Minister for maintaining our British monarch as head of state......
Malcolm Turnbull wouldn't have sold his soul would he?
Could have sworn he was still a Republican. Being a Lib is not a barrier to being a high profile Republican - Peter Costello anyone?BenDoolan wrote:Hmm, and what are the views of the former leader of the Australian Republican Movement now that he is entrenched in a royalist Party? You know the guy....the one that saw fit to lambast the Prime Minister for maintaining our British monarch as head of state......
Malcolm Turnbull wouldn't have sold his soul would he?
Of come on Dodge.... when you join a Political Party, you adhere to its rules and Policy's. Thats it. Anyway PG has ALWAYS been left of centre and his eco and environment credentials are far better than anyone in the Parliament of any Party. Joining the ALP means he is STILL centre left.dodgey wrote:well replied .....
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You may be right, he may not have denounced his republican ambitions, however, how does one join a political party that is ultimately monarchist after criticising and ridiculing the coalition leader for the defeat of the referrendum? Beats me. Malcolm Turncoat obviously sees more political opportunity of power than ideology on that issue.Staggy wrote:Could have sworn he was still a Republican. Being a Lib is not a barrier to being a high profile Republican - Peter Costello anyone?BenDoolan wrote:Hmm, and what are the views of the former leader of the Australian Republican Movement now that he is entrenched in a royalist Party? You know the guy....the one that saw fit to lambast the Prime Minister for maintaining our British monarch as head of state......
Malcolm Turnbull wouldn't have sold his soul would he?
I stand corrected if he has publicly changed his views, but I don't think he has from memory.
none whatsoever...... just merely reminding the "lefties" in here that ALL Pollies from BOTH sides do backflips to suit when requiredRoyza wrote:He's Shadow Minister for Climate Change, Environment and Heritage. How much relevance is there between US bases & his current position?
True. But it was always going to be on the cards once he joined the party. & he mentioned that joining the party meant accepting the policies(agreeing with the details may be a different issue). You'd be pretty dumb to think that all Labor policies would change just to fit Garrett into the party(likewise for any politician).dodgey wrote:none whatsoever...... just merely reminding the "lefties" in here that ALL Pollies from BOTH sides do backflips to suit when requiredRoyza wrote:He's Shadow Minister for Climate Change, Environment and Heritage. How much relevance is there between US bases & his current position?
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Just can't remember any other politician actually going so far as to write and record their protests
While Australia was unbelieveably stoic in the face of seemingly insurmountable odds. We (and the rest of the allies) would have been in real strife had the US not (belatedly) gotten involved. Their industrial might tipped the balance. Their battle with the Japanese Navy deflected a lot of attention. And in the end it was their troops who forced the Japanese back to japan.dingus wrote:If it is such a crime to change your mind on an issue, Why doesn't mr Garret point out that Austrlaia has a GST? At least Garret has never lied to the electorate about his agenda.
And this Myth that Australia was "saved" by the U.S. in WWII... pffft. Anyone who has read anything about Australia's role in the pacific conflict will know that it was the political toughness of John Curtin and the determination of Australian servicemen that "saved" this country.
I think a few Russians might argue with you there Sis. They took on and beat the major enemy....Germany....and lost 30 million doing so. US casualty's for the whole war on all fronts were 300,000 dead.Sismis wrote:While Australia was unbelieveably stoic in the face of seemingly insurmountable odds. We (and the rest of the allies) would have been in real strife had the US not (belatedly) gotten involved. Their industrial might tipped the balance. Their battle with the Japanese Navy deflected a lot of attention. And in the end it was their troops who forced the Japanese back to japan.dingus wrote:If it is such a crime to change your mind on an issue, Why doesn't mr Garret point out that Austrlaia has a GST? At least Garret has never lied to the electorate about his agenda.
And this Myth that Australia was "saved" by the U.S. in WWII... pffft. Anyone who has read anything about Australia's role in the pacific conflict will know that it was the political toughness of John Curtin and the determination of Australian servicemen that "saved" this country.
While the current bloodthirsty regime in the white house is deplorable, you cannot deny their actions were instrumental in keeping us a free state.
Filthy wrote:I think a few Russians might argue with you there Sis. They took on and beat the major enemy....Germany....and lost 30 million doing so. US casualty's for the whole war on all fronts were 300,000 dead.Sismis wrote:While Australia was unbelieveably stoic in the face of seemingly insurmountable odds. We (and the rest of the allies) would have been in real strife had the US not (belatedly) gotten involved. Their industrial might tipped the balance. Their battle with the Japanese Navy deflected a lot of attention. And in the end it was their troops who forced the Japanese back to japan.dingus wrote:If it is such a crime to change your mind on an issue, Why doesn't mr Garret point out that Austrlaia has a GST? At least Garret has never lied to the electorate about his agenda.
And this Myth that Australia was "saved" by the U.S. in WWII... pffft. Anyone who has read anything about Australia's role in the pacific conflict will know that it was the political toughness of John Curtin and the determination of Australian servicemen that "saved" this country.
While the current bloodthirsty regime in the white house is deplorable, you cannot deny their actions were instrumental in keeping us a free state.
As for us being stoic...yes we were being the 1st of the allies to beat the Krauts at Tobruk and the Nips on Kokoda. And by War's end we had a million men/women under arms out of 8mil people. I think we had something like the 3rd or 4th biggest Navy and Airforce in the World!!!
Also the nips were driven back to Tokyo solely by the Yanks because politically McArthur was in conflict with Nimitz with a Political career in mind post war and didn't want us taking any of the "glory". They were welcome to their Tarawa's and Iwo Jima's...no thanks.
Well that's not totally correct, the Russian did not take on and beat the major enemy, at least not at the beginning, they started happily sharing the spoils in Eastern Europe (Poland, Baltics, Eastern Slovakia, ...) with Hitler.Filthy wrote: I think a few Russians might argue with you there Sis. They took on and beat the major enemy....Germany....and lost 30 million doing so.
Don't blame the US for losing "only" 300,000 people, the relatively low number showed that democracies with a lively public opinion have a natural respect for human life (at least in their own country). This said I find no excuse whatsoever for Hiroshima.US casualty's for the whole war on all fronts were 300,000 dead.
Totally agree with this!As for us being stoic...yes we were being the 1st of the allies to beat the Krauts at Tobruk and the Nips on Kokoda. And by War's end we had a million men/women under arms out of 8mil people. I think we had something like the 3rd or 4th biggest Navy and Airforce in the World!!!