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Re: Mercy Campaign

Post by mdso » Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:13 pm

boncer34 wrote:Whether you agree with the death penalty or not this Mercy Campaign is a joke.

Nobody is going to take us or anyone seriously when the only time we campaign against the Death Penalty is when 2 Australians in Indonesia are in line for the squad.

I think that's true for most things that happen in our world, Boncer34. It is only when it affects us deeply, cuts us to the core, do we begin a process of trying to do something to implement change. In this case, we are too late. It won't happen, we will probably hear about the execution after it HAS happened. My condolences to all the families involved.
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Re: Mercy Campaign

Post by j-mac31 » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:39 pm

mdso wrote:It is only when it affects us deeply, cuts us to the core, do we begin a process of trying to do something to implement change.
But why do only Australian's on death row cut us to the core? And why now, after almost 10 years?
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Post by ealesy » Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:35 pm

Nationalism plays a large part j-mac.

It is the same reason why the Indonesian government are frantically trying to get other country's Governments to spare the life of their citizens on death row in those countires for crimes similar to the ones that they are intent on executing Chan and Sukumaran for.

The fact that we as a nation don't have the death penalty is another, the fact that if the AFP allowed them to board the plane and waited to arrest them on Australia soil they wouldn't be facing the firing squad is another (although if they did there would be some people who are engaged in the mercy campaign who would be decrying the sentences they likely would have received here as grossly inadequate), the fact that they have clearly rehabilitated is another, the fact they were young and stupid when they committed the crime is another.

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Re: Mercy Campaign

Post by j-mac31 » Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:39 pm

ealesy wrote:Nationalism plays a large part j-mac.

It is the same reason why the Indonesian government are frantically trying to get other country's Governments to spare the life of their citizens on death row in those countires for crimes similar to the ones that they are intent on executing Chan and Sukumaran for.

The fact that we as a nation don't have the death penalty is another, the fact that if the AFP allowed them to board the plane and waited to arrest them on Australia soil they wouldn't be facing the firing squad is another (although if they did there would be some people who are engaged in the mercy campaign who would be decrying the sentences they likely would have received here as grossly inadequate), the fact that they have clearly rehabilitated is another, the fact they were young and stupid when they committed the crime is another.
I understand the nationalism, but it's f****** stupid. Surely you're either for or against the death penalty full stop.

And presumably plenty of the people they've executed in the past were young (definitely stupid) and rehabilitated. And maybe they wouldn't have rehabilitated if they'd only got 10-20 years.
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Post by MH_Bomber » Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:42 am

Can someone explain why Indonesia thought it necessary to do a practice run on camera of the transporting of the death row prisoners with completely over the top security precautions a few days ago ?

Today again as the 2 Australians and 8 others we see the Indonesias with literally 100's of security (para military level) escorting these 10 to their final destination. Do they think we might be contemplating an SAS style Entebbe raid to free them ?

It is just so wrong all of this.

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Widodo apparently didnt even know that the Chan and Sukumaran were attempting to bring the smack here. This whole thing is f-cking disgrace.
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Re: Mercy Campaign

Post by Sismis » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:20 pm

The Indonesian PM is doing the exact same thing as Abbott. Trying to sure up his position based on shows of strength.

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Post by BenDoolan » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:17 pm

Sismis wrote:The Indonesian PM is doing the exact same thing as Abbott. Trying to sure up his position based on shows of strength.
This is true.

I read an article that was passed on to me today. The crux of it was a political standing between both nations;

Abbott - "Stop the Boats"

Widodo - "Stop the Drugs"
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Post by grassy1 » Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:09 am

Actually Ben,on that score,Abbott would hold the edge,much as I'd Hate to admit it!

Widodo can execute All the Mules he likes!

It will NOT change his country's problem,one Iota!

Why do those troopers look like something out of Blake's 7?

Don't suppose anyone from the Liberator or Enterprise from the future can save the next 10. On Death Row there,could they?It's their only hope now!

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Post by ealesy » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:01 pm

MH_Bomber wrote:Can someone explain why Indonesia thought it necessary to do a practice run on camera of the transporting of the death row prisoners with completely over the top security precautions a few days ago ?

Today again as the 2 Australians and 8 others we see the Indonesias with literally 100's of security (para military level) escorting these 10 to their final destination. Do they think we might be contemplating an SAS style Entebbe raid to free them ?

It is just so wrong all of this.

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Widodo apparently didnt even know that the Chan and Sukumaran were attempting to bring the smack here. This whole thing is f-cking disgrace.
Anyone else see that the Indonesians released on of the Bali bombers the other day after only 9 years of an 18 year sentence.

Now he was directly involved and responsible of the deaths and serious injuries to numerous of people and they feel he is worthy to be released halfway through his sentence, despite him never showing any remoarse for his actions or signs of rehabilitation.

I reckon given the timing of this decision and what is happening with Chan and Sukumaran one could very easily view this decision as a significant f*** you to the Australian Government and in particular Tony Abbot over his comments regarding the Tsunami aid.

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Re: Mercy Campaign

Post by j-mac31 » Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:20 pm

MH_Bomber wrote:It is just so wrong all of this.
Does it really make one bit of f****** difference how they got to the island or whether or not we get to see that? How do you know they don't transport all of their death row prisoners under that much security?
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Post by tonysoprano » Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:23 pm

j-mac31 wrote:
MH_Bomber wrote:It is just so wrong all of this.
Does it really make one bit of f****** difference how they got to the island or whether or not we get to see that? How do you know they don't transport all of their death row prisoners under that much security?
probably not. and we don't know.

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Post by MH_Bomber » Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:42 pm

Get off the grass you dont need 100s of paramilitary personnel to transport 2 guys who by all accounts are non violent and reformed. What was with that prick posing for a photo with Chan on the plane.

It is just wrong wrong wrong !!!
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Post by j-mac31 » Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:47 pm

MH_Bomber wrote:Get off the grass you dont need 100s of paramilitary personnel to transport 2 guys who by all accounts are non violent and reformed. What was with that prick posing for a photo with Chan on the plane.

It is just wrong wrong wrong !!!
I didn't say they did need that, but how do you know they don't always do it?

And again, does it really matter in the big picture? No no no.
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Post by MH_Bomber » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:07 pm

They havent been doing this kind of crap for the other death row prisoners. The Indonesians are coming off like a pack of smiling assassins.

I reckon we SHOULD send the SAS in to get them out and while we at it bump off the terrorist that was set free who was directly responsible for the loss of 100's of lives. Pack of p-ricks.
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Re: Mercy Campaign

Post by j-mac31 » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:08 pm

MH_Bomber wrote:They havent been doing this kind of crap for the other death row prisoners.
Are you sure?

And again, what f****** difference does it make?
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Re: Mercy Campaign

Post by MH_Bomber » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:40 pm

It is like they are deliberately rubbing salt in Australia's wounds. Look at us we are send a battalion to kill two men. Fu-cking packs of cowards.
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Re: Mercy Campaign

Post by BERT » Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:24 pm

MH_Bomber wrote:They havent been doing this kind of crap for the other death row prisoners. The Indonesians are coming off like a pack of smiling assassins.

I reckon we SHOULD send the SAS in to get them out and while we at it bump off the terrorist that was set free who was directly responsible for the loss of 100's of lives. Pack of p-ricks.
That'd go down well.

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Re: Mercy Campaign

Post by BenDoolan » Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:43 pm

FMD the hysteria and bullshit that has constantly been splashed around makes me LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. And the candle light vigils just make me wanna spew up.

The garbage that continues to be flung (stop international aid etc) is a disgrace. You don't speak for me, so geeeeeeeeeet fuuuuuuuuuuucked.
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Post by tonysoprano » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:15 pm

BenDoolan wrote:FMD the hysteria and bullshit that has constantly been splashed around makes me LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. And the candle light vigils just make me wanna spew up.

The garbage that continues to be flung (stop international aid etc) is a disgrace. You don't speak for me, so geeeeeeeeeet fuuuuuuuuuuucked.
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Kind of same thing with this issue - I totally disagree with the death penalty but there is some ludicrous reactions and "photo ops" for many of the leaders.

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Re: Mercy Campaign

Post by MH_Bomber » Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:12 pm

Maybe all the people concerned about it are pretty much like me. They just dont get how killing these 2 blokes achieves anything other they saving face for Widodo. They have served 10 and I think would be happy to serve more probably the rest of their lives but to just snuff out human life like - its just doesnt seem right.

They should not have been moved to this horrible island before all legal avenues were played out.
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