Time to Re-Open Asylums

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Re: Time to Re-Open Asylums

Post by j-mac31 » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:37 pm

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BERT wrote:I don't think you can blame the cops . They couldn't open fire in the city's busiest intersection and if they did it would have been a tad harsh to shoot someone for doing doughnuts. Surely it couldn't be predicted that the bloke would start to deliberately run people over.
What if it had been a terrorist attack and the car boot was filled with explosives?

Also he wasn't just doing doughnuts, he was being followed after stabbing his brother and abducting his girlfriend.
That's something I didn't think of, what if he had have a car full of explosives. The Police I think, did a good job under the circumstances. Shame they didn't fire more shots.
It's one thing to not pursue fleeing cars on open roads, but letting an obvious nutter with that history just drive into the city is just stupid.

BTW I don't agree with the almost blanket "no pursuit" policy. It's not the police's fault if innocent people are put in danger because some c**** don't have respect for the law or people in general.
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Re: Time to Re-Open Asylums

Post by Gimps » Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:20 pm

As per above. I can't believe the cops didn't block Swanston Street off with their cars. If he goes back up St Kilda Road, the potential for casualties would have been far less.

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Re: Time to Re-Open Asylums

Post by MH_Bomber » Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:31 am

The policy to deinstitutionalise people that become dangerous when they are not strictly supervised on their anti psychotic drug administration has been an unmitigated disaster. The general publics safety must take precedence over the perception of the the amelioration of individual rights. After all what has happened to the type of person that was housed or received treatment at Royal Park e t c. Many roam the streets homeless or in totally inappropriate accommodation in sub standard boarding houses. Alternately they end up terrorising their families and commit heinous crimes of domestic violence. In the case of the alleged Bourke St killer, the whole episode started with him stabbing his own brother.

The 70s saw the emergence of the idea that mental hospitals are inherently bad. Yes there were some shocking things going on but surely reform and greater oversight of those institutions was preferable to what has eventuated. Now we have crap like 'community' based treatment. All too often you hear that someone has perpetrated some devastating form of family violence on close relatives and now increasingly complete strangers.
The govt refuses to properly administer mental health now. I think its come full circle and we need to reinstate treatment centres with beds.

The irony is that should the alleged killer end up in Thomas Embling he wil actually get the treatment he needs because he cant just leave and do his own thing.

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Re: Time to Re-Open Asylums

Post by mdso » Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:08 am

MH_Bomber wrote:The policy to deinstitutionalise people that become dangerous when they are not strictly supervised on their anti psychotic drug administration has been an unmitigated disaster. The general publics safety must take precedence over the perception of the the amelioration of individual rights. After all what has happened to the type of person that was housed or received treatment at Royal Park e t c. Many roam the streets homeless or in totally inappropriate accommodation in sub standard boarding houses. Alternately they end up terrorising their families and commit heinous crimes of domestic violence. In the case of the alleged Bourke St killer, the whole episode started with him stabbing his own brother.

The 70s saw the emergence of the idea that mental hospitals are inherently bad. Yes there were some shocking things going on but surely reform and greater oversight of those institutions was preferable to what has eventuated. Now we have crap like 'community' based treatment. All too often you hear that someone has perpetrated some devastating form of family violence on close relatives and now increasingly complete strangers.
The govt refuses to properly administer mental health now. I think its come full circle and we need to reinstate treatment centres with beds.

The irony is that should the alleged killer end up in Thomas Embling he will actually get the treatment he needs because he cant just leave and do his own thing.
You are absolutely correct. And; the tragedy of it is, through a lack of funding and resources the really good people on the ground, who do a great job with bugger all at their finger tips are getting so fed up, they are overworked and suffering themselves to the point of PTSD, they cannot care for people in that state. Many are pulling the plug and walking away from the job. They have had enough. This makes a bad situation much, much, worse.

With adequate resources on the ground and supervision, half the people in jails wouldn't be there. Making room for other deranged and violent offenders. I sometimes wonder if the powers that be do this on purpose because they want things to get bad enough so, the public demand action happen and then the Minister says, "well don't complain now, you asked for this to happen." Isn't that how things work in Government?
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Re: Time to Re-Open Asylums

Post by BenDoolan » Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:46 am

MH_Bomber wrote:The policy to deinstitutionalise people that become dangerous when they are not strictly supervised on their anti psychotic drug administration has been an unmitigated disaster. The general publics safety must take precedence over the perception of the the amelioration of individual rights. After all what has happened to the type of person that was housed or received treatment at Royal Park e t c. Many roam the streets homeless or in totally inappropriate accommodation in sub standard boarding houses. Alternately they end up terrorising their families and commit heinous crimes of domestic violence. In the case of the alleged Bourke St killer, the whole episode started with him stabbing his own brother.

The 70s saw the emergence of the idea that mental hospitals are inherently bad. Yes there were some shocking things going on but surely reform and greater oversight of those institutions was preferable to what has eventuated. Now we have crap like 'community' based treatment. All too often you hear that someone has perpetrated some devastating form of family violence on close relatives and now increasingly complete strangers.
The govt refuses to properly administer mental health now. I think its come full circle and we need to reinstate treatment centres with beds.

The irony is that should the alleged killer end up in Thomas Embling he wil actually get the treatment he needs because he cant just leave and do his own thing.
Totally agree
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Post by MH_Bomber » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:40 pm

Another case to add to the list of family violence victims allegedly murdered by a close relative with a mental illness. The bloke murdered in the Doncaster shopping centre was alleged attacked by his own brother. He appeared to be carrying around a sword.

This happens every second day but no-one seems to put 2 and 2 together. Unstable people with mental health issues are sometimes capable of causing a great deal of harm to others - especially close relatives. These people need treatment in a safe and secure mental health facility not paid lip service to their problem by community based treatment.
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Re: Time to Re-Open Asylums

Post by BenDoolan » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:14 pm

MH_Bomber wrote:Another case to add to the list of family violence victims allegedly murdered by a close relative with a mental illness. The bloke murdered in the Doncaster shopping centre was alleged attacked by his own brother. He appeared to be carrying around a sword.

This happens every second day but no-one seems to put 2 and 2 together. Unstable people with mental health issues are sometimes capable of causing a great deal of harm to others - especially close relatives. These people need treatment in a safe and secure mental health facility not paid lip service to their problem by community based treatment.
Yep, it's a F****** disgrace.
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Post by mdso » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:00 pm

BenDoolan wrote:
MH_Bomber wrote:Another case to add to the list of family violence victims allegedly murdered by a close relative with a mental illness. The bloke murdered in the Doncaster shopping centre was alleged attacked by his own brother. He appeared to be carrying around a sword.

This happens every second day but no-one seems to put 2 and 2 together. Unstable people with mental health issues are sometimes capable of causing a great deal of harm to others - especially close relatives. These people need treatment in a safe and secure mental health facility not paid lip service to their problem by community based treatment.
Yep, it's a F****** disgrace.
Yes it is and unfortunately, something really terrible will have to happen to a very high profile person or their family, in order for something to be done about it. The wheels of change turn very slowly.
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Re: Time to Re-Open Asylums

Post by MH_Bomber » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:21 pm

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/grand ... vk932.html

This is a classic case in point of what I was referring to in my previous posts. The bloke has a psychotic break and murders his mother. How is he being treated in the community helped his poor mother and indeed him?
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Re: Time to Re-Open Asylums

Post by BenDoolan » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:50 pm

MH_Bomber wrote:http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/grand ... vk932.html

This is a classic case in point of what I was referring to in my previous posts. The bloke has a psychotic break and murders his mother. How is he being treated in the community helped his poor mother and indeed him?
Yep, happens too many times. Disgraceful.
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Re: Time to Re-Open Asylums

Post by BenDoolan » Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:05 pm

A 'psychiatric patient' wandering the isles of a plane instead of the corridors of a mental institution...
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