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If we play Hurley forward, we make them "dance to our tune" as they will need someone big to play on him...their options are limited to Henderson and Thornton. Henderson played on Cloke on Saturday and is clearly not a backman...Thornton is too small for Hurley physically.
Get one of them playing on Hurley and then get the midfielders to look for him one out. Give him heaps of space and he could have a day out.
That leaves us with Pears and Fletch to play on Walker and whichever of the the aforementioned two play forward.
Hardingham, Heppell, Hibberd and Spike can cover the other scum forwards.
Get one of them playing on Hurley and then get the midfielders to look for him one out. Give him heaps of space and he could have a day out.
That leaves us with Pears and Fletch to play on Walker and whichever of the the aforementioned two play forward.
Hardingham, Heppell, Hibberd and Spike can cover the other scum forwards.
"You can quote me on this... He is gawn" - bomberdonnie re Hurley's contract status 25 February 2012
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Where have those blokes been the thoooooooooooooooooooousand times the ball has hit the deck off Ryder or Hille's dukes? Our forward set up is that spread at the moment that traditional crumbing is almost non-existent. If they actually leave a few players in the forward 50, what you have said above works. But yeah, I'd still rather have Hille or Ryder up there than Gumby.filthy2 wrote:Just listening to Rob Shaw on SEN who said Gumby had a great game yesterday as did Shagga above. Quote, unquote.
But my calling for him to go CHF is tactical. Don't care if he doesn't get a kick...he takes a tall and we have the likes of Reimo, Alwyn, Melks, Zaka etc at his feet when it hits the deck. As a group I doubt we had such small firepower together as one during the 5 week nightmare. Change rucks at FF releases Crameri to their 3rd best defender and Gus to their 4th.
More importantly, releasing Hurls back to the backline means that he and Tayte take the 2 best tall forwards and releases Fletch to do his floating back thing he does so well.
And then you have the floating forward by Watto as pointed out.
Not worried about their match ups.....they will be worried about ours.
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Gimps....mate...read what I wrote....
During our slump we had HH, Watto out, coming back in, Watto out, Alwyn in the 2's with Reimers blah, blah....
At no time in that 5 weeks until the last 3 weeks did we have all those quick, little blokes in the same team with the grunt blokes sans Watto...
In the last 2 games the only time they really clicked was when Hurls went forward weakening down back. You will not get away with that against true top sides. Settled sides win Flags.
Arguably Hurls beat the Tiggers by beating Reiwoldt-Cry-Baby 2 and the he went forward and busted packs for the little guys.
The biggest one coming back in the middle of it the shit was Pears who helped stabilise the back line. Bomber Thompson coached and built his Flag teams on an impenetrable defense that attacked quickly and decisively from Half back.
One of the things that I read on the weekend was that Gumby made good position and his were leads ignored by VFL players. It is my belief that a AFL player playing in a VFL player will be dragged down to their level especially at CHF. When playing at a higher level with much better and skilful footballers he will play heaps better in that environment.
A 200cms specialist CHF demands respect. Jetta, Alwyn, Reimers, Gus, Melks, Zaka will therefore demand massive guarding when the aget hits the deck.
In the meantine a backline including Fletch, Pears and Hurley will be hard ....very hard to beat.
During our slump we had HH, Watto out, coming back in, Watto out, Alwyn in the 2's with Reimers blah, blah....
At no time in that 5 weeks until the last 3 weeks did we have all those quick, little blokes in the same team with the grunt blokes sans Watto...
In the last 2 games the only time they really clicked was when Hurls went forward weakening down back. You will not get away with that against true top sides. Settled sides win Flags.
Arguably Hurls beat the Tiggers by beating Reiwoldt-Cry-Baby 2 and the he went forward and busted packs for the little guys.
The biggest one coming back in the middle of it the shit was Pears who helped stabilise the back line. Bomber Thompson coached and built his Flag teams on an impenetrable defense that attacked quickly and decisively from Half back.
One of the things that I read on the weekend was that Gumby made good position and his were leads ignored by VFL players. It is my belief that a AFL player playing in a VFL player will be dragged down to their level especially at CHF. When playing at a higher level with much better and skilful footballers he will play heaps better in that environment.
A 200cms specialist CHF demands respect. Jetta, Alwyn, Reimers, Gus, Melks, Zaka will therefore demand massive guarding when the aget hits the deck.
In the meantine a backline including Fletch, Pears and Hurley will be hard ....very hard to beat.
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I get what you wrote, and in theory it works. Problem we STILL have is that our forward line is being dragged too far up the ground (as seen on Friday night). As I said, the forward line is too spread, leaving minimal opportunities for the crumbers to get the ball from a spill. You'd know from your playing days, and I do from mine - you need to have a brick shithouse cemented in the forward line with a couple of garden knomes around it. At the moment, our CHF is pushing near enough to CHB, and our FF is pushing up toward the middle. We cause a turnover, and every c*** has to run like the clappers and try to take marks running with the flight off the ball. Until we have big blokes leading up to the ball, the crumbers aren't going to be utilised properly.
If Hird told me Gumby would play a true CHF, I'd entertain the idea. But on current coaching form/ structures, he'd be even more lost at sea then when he played last year. I think he'd get caught between the ball and the next contest far too often. Like others have said, leave him in the 2's until he really fires up.
If Hird told me Gumby would play a true CHF, I'd entertain the idea. But on current coaching form/ structures, he'd be even more lost at sea then when he played last year. I think he'd get caught between the ball and the next contest far too often. Like others have said, leave him in the 2's until he really fires up.
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Howlett is "tracking nicely" and is still in the mix for selection
Watson and Myers will do a full weeks training and be available if no problems
i don't think Myers would be an automatic selection
and actually thinking about it now nothing was said about Hibberd, maybe i missed it
few comments from the EFC faithful on the injury video facebook entry
Watson and Myers will do a full weeks training and be available if no problems
i don't think Myers would be an automatic selection
and actually thinking about it now nothing was said about Hibberd, maybe i missed it
few comments from the EFC faithful on the injury video facebook entry
Yea, like Michael Shaw just said.... wat iz da deel wid da abuv menchoned playa injarees Essundin Fitbill clob?....
Jobe Hocker should be right or this week depending on how they train this week
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I hope they take a VERY cautious approach with Myers!Jazz_84 wrote:Howlett is "tracking nicely" and is still in the mix for selection
Watson and Myers will do a full weeks training and be available if no problems
i don't think Myers would be an automatic selection
and actually thinking about it now nothing was said about Hibberd, maybe i missed it
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Any chance we could get THIS guy to play instead of Gumbleton?filthy2 wrote:A 200cms specialist CHF demands respect.
Seriously, I pray that Gumby has a great career.....it would set us up with our spine for a long time, but can we hold off on calling him a specialist CHF until he has played more than one decent game in five years?
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WHat about the match ups at the bookends?
Bower vs Crameri
Ruckman vs Thorton/Russel
Monfries vs Yarran (Yarran torched him in round 4)
Fletch vs Henderson
Hardingham vs Walker
McVeigh vs Bettes
Pears vs Robinson?
Hurley vs ??????????
Who gets Gartlett?
Have I missed any of their c****?
Bower vs Crameri
Ruckman vs Thorton/Russel
Monfries vs Yarran (Yarran torched him in round 4)
Fletch vs Henderson
Hardingham vs Walker
McVeigh vs Bettes
Pears vs Robinson?
Hurley vs ??????????
Who gets Gartlett?
Have I missed any of their c****?
He kicks on the left
He kicks on the riiiiiiiiigggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhttttttttttttt
That boy Hurley
Makes Riewoldt look shite!
He kicks on the riiiiiiiiigggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhttttttttttttt
That boy Hurley
Makes Riewoldt look shite!
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Did you also read that he was running to the wrong positions all day and that he played shit? So what your saying is that he would be a better player at AFL level because everyone else is crap at VFL level and that's the reason he's been getting beaten? Wow, that's just warped thinking. I play a bit of competitive tennis, maybe instead of getting beaten by the hacks in my current comp I should join the ATP tour and take on the likes of Djokovic, Nadal and the Fed. Maybe I'll rise above and become the champion I wish I could be overnight... what do you think I should do?filthy2 wrote: One of the things that I read on the weekend was that Gumby made good position and his were leads ignored by VFL players. It is my belief that a AFL player playing in a VFL player will be dragged down to their level especially at CHF. When playing at a higher level with much better and skilful footballers he will play heaps better in that environment.
What Gumbleton should be doing is what Fevola is doing and kicking a bag of goals... it's called being in form. Gumbleton needs to do more than be a tall, number 2 draft pick with an awkward kicking style who occasionally can take a big grab. He needs to play well.
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Footy your relying on others to play well for you to play well.... can't do shit if they don't kick it in your direction or to your disadvantage
tennis you rely on yourself and yourself alone, barely a decent comparison there
I think he should play soon, he's had 4-5 games in the VFL now, that'll do
i havn't looked at the match ups much yet but they are struggling for talls and he would stretch them even further, id be happy to let Hooker have a game in the VFL and bring Gumby in with Hurley to play down back
tennis you rely on yourself and yourself alone, barely a decent comparison there
I think he should play soon, he's had 4-5 games in the VFL now, that'll do
i havn't looked at the match ups much yet but they are struggling for talls and he would stretch them even further, id be happy to let Hooker have a game in the VFL and bring Gumby in with Hurley to play down back
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He made one opinion of you and also makes some very good pointsfilthy2 wrote:Your name herein is the effect your 32 opinions have on me here.
Stop dribbling shit and people might disagree with you less
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bomberdonnie wrote:He made one opinion of you and also makes some very good pointsfilthy2 wrote:Your name herein is the effect your 32 opinions have on me here.
Stop dribbling shit and people might disagree with you less
Of course this is a subject you are well versed in with your 2 heads arguing with each other as to who is to blame for the faeces dribbling out of who knows whose orifice.
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There's merit in what you both are saying, however, playing CHF is notoriously difficult and doing it at a VFL level and hoping to kick bags of goals in an average team would be near impossible. It's a very different position to playing in the goal square.ZeroEffect wrote:Did you also read that he was running to the wrong positions all day and that he played shit? So what your saying is that he would be a better player at AFL level because everyone else is crap at VFL level and that's the reason he's been getting beaten? Wow, that's just warped thinking. I play a bit of competitive tennis, maybe instead of getting beaten by the hacks in my current comp I should join the ATP tour and take on the likes of Djokovic, Nadal and the Fed. Maybe I'll rise above and become the champion I wish I could be overnight... what do you think I should do?filthy2 wrote: One of the things that I read on the weekend was that Gumby made good position and his were leads ignored by VFL players. It is my belief that a AFL player playing in a VFL player will be dragged down to their level especially at CHF. When playing at a higher level with much better and skilful footballers he will play heaps better in that environment.
What Gumbleton should be doing is what Fevola is doing and kicking a bag of goals... it's called being in form. Gumbleton needs to do more than be a tall, number 2 draft pick with an awkward kicking style who occasionally can take a big grab. He needs to play well.
There's little to be gained in comparing Fev to Gumbleton. They are completely different body shapes and play a different role.
Your tennis analogy is garbage. Players, including Tomic most recently at Wimbledon, will often squeeze through qualifying and then find themselves in the fourth round. Sportsman often rise to the level they are competing in.
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I have guys that play poker say to me all the time, if only I had enough a big enough bank roll to play higher, I would dominate those games. It's always bullshit, none of them have the patients or the discipline to beat the games they are playing now, against the other shit players.
Gumbleton needs to impose himself on the VFL, then he can play with the adults.
Gumbleton needs to impose himself on the VFL, then he can play with the adults.
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Melbourne persisted with Watts in the ones despite him having never dominated in the VFL. Now they are reaping the rewards.robbie67 wrote:I have guys that play poker say to me all the time, if only I had enough a big enough bank roll to play higher, I would dominate those games. It's always bullshit, none of them have the patients or the discipline to beat the games they are playing now, against the other shit players.
Gumbleton needs to impose himself on the VFL, then he can play with the adults.
We need to employ the same tactic re Gumbleton. If it turns out he can't cut the mustard or his body breaks down again, then we can cut our losses. Having him roll around in the VFL is of no use to anyone and we are none the wiser.
Also, when you've got the time, it would be awesome to hear more stories about you and your mates playing poker? What a cracking read that was.
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What I find most interesting about this debate on whether or not Gumby should play is that the majority of posters on here (and probably including you Filth) have spoken loudly about how the likes of Welsh, Reimers, Myers, Prismall, Dyson etc must string together a run of good games for Bendigo before they should be considered for selection in the seniors.
And then along comes Gumby....and you want him in the team even though his form with Bendigo has hardly set the world on fire.
Where is the consistency if others (particularly Reimers) have to bust a gut playing well for weeks on end before they get their DESERVED chance whilst you would hand Gumby a game on the basis that he might play better at the higher level.
Give me a break....he should not play in the seniors until he deserves to....and that is not until he strings together a run of strong performances.
He is not some f****** messiah who will solve all our forward problems!
And then along comes Gumby....and you want him in the team even though his form with Bendigo has hardly set the world on fire.
Where is the consistency if others (particularly Reimers) have to bust a gut playing well for weeks on end before they get their DESERVED chance whilst you would hand Gumby a game on the basis that he might play better at the higher level.
Give me a break....he should not play in the seniors until he deserves to....and that is not until he strings together a run of strong performances.
He is not some f****** messiah who will solve all our forward problems!
"You can quote me on this... He is gawn" - bomberdonnie re Hurley's contract status 25 February 2012
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The bloke I'm most worried about is Kruezer.. he can tear teams apart on his day.Rossoneri wrote:WHat about the match ups at the bookends?
Bower vs Crameri
Ruckman vs Thorton/Russel
Monfries vs Yarran (Yarran torched him in round 4)
Fletch vs Henderson
Hardingham vs Walker
McVeigh vs Bettes
Pears vs Robinson?
Hurley vs ??????????
Who gets Gartlett?
Have I missed any of their c****?
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Playing CHF in the VFL and playing as a midfielder (as Welsh, Reimers, Myers, Prismall and Dyson do) are two very different things.swoodley wrote:What I find most interesting about this debate on whether or not Gumby should play is that the majority of posters on here (and probably including you Filth) have spoken loudly about how the likes of Welsh, Reimers, Myers, Prismall, Dyson etc must string together a run of good games for Bendigo before they should be considered for selection in the seniors.
And then along comes Gumby....and you want him in the team even though his form with Bendigo has hardly set the world on fire.
Where is the consistency if others (particularly Reimers) have to bust a gut playing well for weeks on end before they get their DESERVED chance whilst you would hand Gumby a game on the basis that he might play better at the higher level.
Give me a break....he should not play in the seniors until he deserves to....and that is not until he strings together a run of strong performances.
He is not some f****** messiah who will solve all our forward problems!
Added to that is Gumby's poor run with injury, the need for us to see what he can do at an AFL and whether his body will stand up, the fac that he was taken number 2 in the draft and is accordingly more highly credentialled than the blokes you have named...the list goes on.
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All of that is bullshit....he should only be played if he deserves it...so f****** what if he is a number 2 pick....if he is so damn good, then it shouldn't be too big a problem for him to actually dominate a few VFL plebs.gringo wrote:Playing CHF in the VFL and playing as a midfielder (as Welsh, Reimers, Myers, Prismall and Dyson do) are two very different things.swoodley wrote:What I find most interesting about this debate on whether or not Gumby should play is that the majority of posters on here (and probably including you Filth) have spoken loudly about how the likes of Welsh, Reimers, Myers, Prismall, Dyson etc must string together a run of good games for Bendigo before they should be considered for selection in the seniors.
And then along comes Gumby....and you want him in the team even though his form with Bendigo has hardly set the world on fire.
Where is the consistency if others (particularly Reimers) have to bust a gut playing well for weeks on end before they get their DESERVED chance whilst you would hand Gumby a game on the basis that he might play better at the higher level.
Give me a break....he should not play in the seniors until he deserves to....and that is not until he strings together a run of strong performances.
He is not some f****** messiah who will solve all our forward problems!
Added to that is Gumby's poor run with injury, the need for us to see what he can do at an AFL and whether his body will stand up, the fac that he was taken number 2 in the draft and is accordingly more highly credentialled than the blokes you have named...the list goes on.
We saw what he could do at AFL level last year when he played 16-17 games...we have a reasonable indication of his skill set..he now needs to EARN a spot...not just be given one.
"You can quote me on this... He is gawn" - bomberdonnie re Hurley's contract status 25 February 2012