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grassy1 wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:59 am Keep me posted please mate.

Because you Won’t hear anything about it over here in the 7WestCoastMedia dominated land.Them and Nisbett Football Club usually control the ebb and flow on nearly everything!

Except Brad Shepherd’s Official Retirement announcement,when 10’s Lachie Reed got the Scoop on that!Something tells me,a certain mob or two were Majorly Pissed off about that!So Well Done Lachie!

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When freedom means locked away…
How a flawed freedom-of-information regime keeps Australians in the dark
The refusal of FOI requests is at its highest level since records began and a Guardian Australia investigation has found systemic problems
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The Australian government is refusing access to documents at record rates, aided by a flawed freedom of information regime beset by delays, understaffing and unnecessary obfuscation.

A month-long investigation into the operation of freedom of information (FOI) laws has identified systemic problems causing vast volumes of government information to be kept secret. Guardian Australia has found:

FOI refusals are at their highest level since records began in 2010-11, spiking recently due to the secrecy of the Northern Australian Infrastructure Facility (Naif), the agency that gave conditional approval to lend Adani $1bn in taxpayers’ money. Naif rejected 99.4% of the FOI requests it received.
More than 2,000 FOI requests have taken three months longer than the statutory time frame to finalise, rendering the documents all but irrelevant by the time they are released, if they are released at all.
FOI teams have shrunk in at least 20 government departments or agencies. Meanwhile, the federal government is increasingly refusing to process FOI requests because they are too onerous. The government’s use of “practical refusal” grounds to block FOI requests has skyrocketed to record highs, increasing by 163% last financial year alone.
The regulator, the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner, has been chronically understaffed, despite an expanding remit and a 72% increase in the number of complaints received about FOI. The OAIC was gutted under the Abbott government, leaving it with two-thirds of the 100 staff minimum needed to do its job.
Academics, authors and not-for-profits are being denied the most benign of documents. Journalist and author William Summers has been battling to obtain a copy of Parliament House lunch menus for two months without success because the Department of Parliamentary Services is not beholden to FOI laws. Lockout campaigner and academic Tony Brown was wrongly blocked from receiving a hotelier’s submission to a recent inquiry into Newcastle’s lockout laws because the NSW Department of Industry indicated it had promised the publican it would remain secret, in a submission seen by Guardian Australia.
In the past year, heavy redactions have prevented the public knowing whether Australians are fighting as mercenaries in the bitter conflict in Yemen.

The dealings between Australian companies and sanctioned elements of the North Korean regime have been hidden, as have communications between Australia and the UK about the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.


Academics, journalists, crossbenchers and anti-corruption campaigners are now calling for change, urging the government to overhaul Australia’s FOI laws to improve transparency.

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Lawyer Peter Timmins, a respected FOI expert and former diplomat, wants to see a comprehensive review of Australia’s FOI laws to make them “fit for the 21st century”.

“The government has been sitting on a review since 2013 when Allan Hawke undertook a review of the act and his first recommendation was there needed to be a full review of FOI legislation, and a rewrite of the act in a way that made it more understandable and accessible,” Timmins said. “That’s never happened.”

Last financial year was particularly poor for government transparency. The rate of FOI refusals was at a record high (17%), and the proportion of requests being granted in full was at its lowest (50%) since the OAIC began publishing data.


The result is partly due to the secrecy of the Naif.

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The agency agreed to fully release documents in only one of the 1,340 FOI requests it received in 2017-18, giving it a rejection rate of 99.4%, by far the highest of any agency. Naif was inundated with requests for internal documents in a coordinated Greenpeace campaign over a two-week period last year, and a spokesman said the agency complied with all its legal requirements.

Fees also continue to prove prohibitive for small not-for-profits and resource-starved media outlets. In one recent case, the Australian Conservation Foundation was asked to pay almost $500 for documents showing internal discussions on why climate change was largely absent from the government’s 2015 intergenerational report. It paid the amount, only for 241 of 243 relevant pages to be deemed exempt. The two pages it received – copies of calendar events – were also partially redacted.

Even when documents are released, they are often rendered irrelevant by delays.

Agencies are required to process requests for information within 30 days, but routinely push the time frame out, typically by claiming they need to consult third parties or that a request is complex or large. Data shows delays ballooned significantly in 2016-17, when only 59% of requests were processed within the statutory timeframe, though the situation has since improved.


The Department of Home Affairs, by far the biggest recipient of FOI requests, was particularly prone to delay. It exceeded the statutory time frame by three months or more in 1,990 of the 15,220 requests it received last financial year. The department has now engaged a private “service provider” to help it process FOIs “within a limited scope”, and a spokesperson said it had implemented reforms to help individuals access personal information more easily.

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One former OAIC insider, who asked for anonymity because he still works for government, said delays were used deliberately to take the sting out of sensitive documents.

“A lot of the tactics are really just to delay the release, particularly until the heat has gone out of something,” he said.

“When a document is released, even if it does cause a ripple, it’s a ripple that lasts a day. It’s just that in the current age it’s all about managing the message, and FOI is just inconvenient.”

Transparency International believes delays are at least partly caused by staffing losses in departmental FOI teams. An analysis of FOI staffing numbers shows reductions in at least 20 government departments or agencies in the past seven years.

The most severely affected department was the Australian Taxation Office, which has lost 15 FOI staff since 2013-14. The Department of Social Services has lost six FOI staff since 2014-15.

The staffing reductions coincide with the growing use of “practical refusals”, which allow the government block FOI requests if they take up too much of the agency’s resources, or if the applicant fails to properly identify documents. The use of practical grounds to attempt to block FOI requests is now at record levels.


The chief executive of Transparency International Australia, Serena Lillywhite, said timely access to information was important, and increasing refusals were a sign of “inadequate government resourcing to this important element of open government”.

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“The fact that they do not prioritise resources for FOI requests reflects the fact they do not regard freedom of information as a priority function for most government agencies,” Lillywhite said.

“A 2017 Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) audit revealed increasing numbers of FOI applications received in contrast to a declining trend in funding for FOI functions and subsequent delay in completions.”

The regulator, the OAIC, plays a critical role in ensuring departments respond quickly and properly to FOI requests. Its presence deters departments from using spurious or flawed reasoning to deny FOI requests, and the regulator can act as a circuit-breaker in disputes.

But the commission has experienced chronic understaffing. The OAIC, when it was established, estimated it would need at least 100 staff to fulfill its role effectively. It has been below that level every year since, dropping to a low of 63 staff under the Abbott government.


The commissioner, Angelene Falk, has repeatedly warned the office’s absorption of a growing workload with a limited workforce was creating “challenges”.

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“The workload is increasing, we’ve had increases on freedom of information and privacy year on year, particularly over last three years, and we’ve worked very effectively at identifying efficiencies,” Falk told Senate estimates in October. “But in terms of our ability to absorb, if you like, the downstream effects of new proposals that occur, that is becoming more challenging.”

Australia Institute researcher Tom Swann said he had noticed an increase in delays and rejections, particularly in the past couple of years. Swann, who is responsible for most of the institute’s FOI requests, said most rejections were attributed to too many documents being included in the initial search.


Swann said most agencies were helpful in refining requests, but others seemed to deliberately cast “a very wide net” for documents.

“The result is so many documents they can’t process it,” he said.

Last year, Swann filed a FOI request to the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, searching for documents that showed the Australian government attempting to secure the support of foreign governments or foreign investors for the Adani coalmine. After much back and forth, Swann was informed no documents matched his search.

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It was later revealed that ministers had in fact written to the Chinese government welcoming foreign investment and promoting the Adani coalmine. So Swann took the case to the information commissioner.

“It’s clear that the information commissioner struggles with the level of resourcing they are given and their internal priorities are not necessarily their own priorities. They struggled with the workload and that’s resulted in that external review is still only just been looked at now.”

Swann said he believes most FOI officers were trying to promote a culture of disclosure but were limited in their ability to do so. Without additional support and given the external reviewer is underresourced, agencies lose their incentive to proactively share information.

“Intentional or not, the incentive for disclosure is being reduced when the chance of getting a slap on the wrist is reduced.”

The crossbench senator Rex Patrick recently introduced amendments to the FOI act, in an attempt to address some of the system’s fundamental failings. The changes failed to win the support of a committee dominated by the two major parties.

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Patrick said his amendments were designed to make FOI more user-friendly.

He said FOI had weaknesses as a democratic tool, questioning how ordinary citizens could use the system effectively, if journalists, politicians and researchers struggled.

“One of the problems we have with FOI is it can take a year, maybe more, to get access to anything with any complexity and information has a temporal value to it. What you really want is real-time access.”

His bill seeks to force the government to fill all three roles of information commissioner, privacy commissioner and freedom of information commissioner, which are all currently performed by a single commissioner. Patrick said it would assist applicants seeking FOI reviews in the appeals tribunal and force agencies to reveal their spending on legal advice fighting FOI requests.

“It’s my view that everything that the government does, they do so for public purpose and funded by the public service. And therefore everything that is produced by government belongs to the public.”


The federal government is not the only jurisdiction where basic FOI reforms are failing to get traction.

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In NSW, recent amendments to the state’s government information public access scheme enshrined the right of agencies to ask that requests to be made by “snail mail”. The opposition, led by the shadow attorney general, Paul Lynch, had urged the government to compel government agencies to take requests electronically.

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Ta.

In Short,good luck Bruce!
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grassy1 wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:59 am Keep me posted please mate.
Update on Mr Bruce Francis's FOI appeal at the Brisbane Administration Appeals Tribunal.
This AAT Hearing has now moved into a final written submissions stage.
The Sports Integrity Australia (SIA) defence team comprised of 3 lawyers from SIA (formerly ASADA) and another 3 from the Attorney General’s (AG) Dept. Mr Francis's witnesses were not called after the SIA Lawyer, who had access to the affidavits, successfully claimed that there was nothing relevant in them that hadn’t already been considered.
Following final submissions, the President will consider his decision. Given his experience with other FOI requests, Mr Francis believes this could take 6 months.
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Suppressing witnesses now? Cheating mongrel bastards!!
May they rot in hell!!!
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nudder12 wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:12 pm
grassy1 wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:59 am Keep me posted please mate.
Update on Mr Bruce Francis's FOI appeal at the Brisbane Administration Appeals Tribunal.
This AAT Hearing has now moved into a final written submissions stage.
The Sports Integrity Australia (SIA) defence team comprised of 3 lawyers from SIA (formerly ASADA) and another 3 from the Attorney General’s (AG) Dept. Mr Francis's witnesses were not called after the SIA Lawyer, who had access to the affidavits, successfully claimed that there was nothing relevant in them that hadn’t already been considered.
Following final submissions, the President will consider his decision. Given his experience with other FOI requests, Mr Francis believes this could take 6 months.
Ta Nudder.

Don’t hold your breath,Bruce! :-&
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Bruce hasn't given up. But let's face it he is fighting an uphill battle, many of these guys are on the take and it has ever been thus.
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mdso wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:47 am Bruce hasn't given up. But let's face it he is fighting an uphill battle, many of these guys are on the take and it has ever been thus.
You make a very interesting point mdso. As grassy alluded to, Bruce has a number of aces up his sleeve, and has used a few of them to expose the jokers they have hidden in the pack.

What may seem like dead ends to the average Joe, could in fact be a smoking gun. It will depend on someone actually producing something that has not seen the light of day yet, and all that is needed is some double cross.

Who is willing?
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Windy Hille wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:15 pm
mdso wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:47 am Bruce hasn't given up. But let's face it he is fighting an uphill battle, many of these guys are on the take and it has ever been thus.
You make a very interesting point mdso. As grassy alluded to, Bruce has a number of aces up his sleeve, and has used a few of them to expose the jokers they have hidden in the pack.

What may seem like dead ends to the average Joe, could in fact be a smoking gun. It will depend on someone actually producing something that has not seen the light of day yet, and all that is needed is some double cross.

Who is willing?
If I did,it wasn’t done with too much to expect.

Hopefully if they do trip up,it’ll be on a metal rake,with spikes heading nose 1st!Shouldn’t be too hard a target,if their snozz stands a mile out from their mugs! :roll:
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grassy1 wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:44 pm
Windy Hille wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:15 pm
mdso wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:47 am Bruce hasn't given up. But let's face it he is fighting an uphill battle, many of these guys are on the take and it has ever been thus.
You make a very interesting point mdso. As grassy alluded to, Bruce has a number of aces up his sleeve, and has used a few of them to expose the jokers they have hidden in the pack.

What may seem like dead ends to the average Joe, could in fact be a smoking gun. It will depend on someone actually producing something that has not seen the light of day yet, and all that is needed is some double cross.

Who is willing?
If I did,it wasn’t done with too much to expect.

Hopefully if they do trip up,it’ll be on a metal rake,with spikes heading nose 1st!Shouldn’t be too hard a target,if their snozz stands a mile out from their mugs! :roll:
Any updates?

Has been quiet out this way…
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What hasn't seen yet is; how McDeviatt changed the name of a supplement on a sworn document fromThymodulin or Thymosin to be called TB4 and suddenly, made it illegal. It is a hell of a big jump and so far, which hasn't seen the light of day yet.

How this will be uncovered is unknown at this point in time but Bruce knows more about this particular subject, than anyone else on the planet. Bruce has made this his life work because of the injustice to some many people and the cover ups to keep it hidden by those who hold the power. His powers of persistence in spite of being abused and put down. He has never waivered. He is not one to throw in the towel.
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mdso wrote: Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:07 am What hasn't seen yet is; how McDeviatt changed the name of a supplement on a sworn document fromThymodulin or Thymosin to be called TB4 and suddenly, made it illegal. It is a hell of a big jump and so far, which hasn't seen the light of day yet.

How this will be uncovered is unknown at this point in time but Bruce knows more about this particular subject, than anyone else on the planet. Bruce has made this his life work because of the injustice to some many people and the cover ups to keep it hidden by those who hold the power. His powers of persistence in spite of being abused and put down. He has never waivered. He is not one to throw in the towel.
The main question I would ask is WHY Mc D would change the document in the first place, AND in cullusion with whom??. AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE??? Except to sink us. :evil: :evil:
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Nice to see Fat Andy got hit for $360 large after he claimed he was not a director of a shonky training college that went tits up owing about $45m.
Too far for Baker now he's on to it, now he’s got it, OPEN GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Dons are in front by one point at the 8 minute mark
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desmondo wrote: Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:44 pm
mdso wrote: Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:07 am What hasn't seen yet is; how McDeviatt changed the name of a supplement on a sworn document fromThymodulin or Thymosin to be called TB4 and suddenly, made it illegal. It is a hell of a big jump and so far, which hasn't seen the light of day yet.

How this will be uncovered is unknown at this point in time but Bruce knows more about this particular subject, than anyone else on the planet. Bruce has made this his life work because of the injustice to some many people and the cover ups to keep it hidden by those who hold the power. His powers of persistence in spite of being abused and put down. He has never waivered. He is not one to throw in the towel.
The main question I would ask is WHY Mc D would change the document in the first place, AND in collusion with whom??. AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE??? Except to sink us. :evil: :evil:

Yes obviously so the players would be found guilty and McDeviate, would really look the goods. However, why would McDeviate lie and take the risk? He was looking for a nice position at the end of it all with WADA/ASADA, moola/folding stuff and power.
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mdso wrote: Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:07 am What hasn't seen yet is; how McDeviatt changed the name of a supplement on a sworn document fromThymodulin or Thymosin to be called TB4 and suddenly, made it illegal. It is a hell of a big jump and so far, which hasn't seen the light of day yet.

How this will be uncovered is unknown at this point in time but Bruce knows more about this particular subject, than anyone else on the planet. Bruce has made this his life work because of the injustice to some many people and the cover ups to keep it hidden by those who hold the power. His powers of persistence in spite of being abused and put down. He has never waivered. He is not one to throw in the towel.

The main question I would ask is WHY Mc D would change the document in the first place, AND in collusion with whom??. AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE??? Except to sink us. :evil: :evil:

Yes obviously so the players would be found guilty and McDeviate, would really look the goods. However, why would McDeviate lie and take the risk? He was looking for a nice position at the end of it all with WADA/ASADA, moola/folding stuff and power.
McDevitt is a plenipotentiarist pure and simple. He was determined to make some sort of tack stick, despite the reputations that it could harm. Furtherance in spite of assurance.

Is there more to this than you’re letting on mdso?
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And on it goes...

James Hird’s father Allan has launched a scathing attack on Andrew Demetriou’s most recent account of the Essendon supplements saga and his ‘crocodile tears’ for Jobe Watson:

Many emotions welled up when I read Andrew Demetriou’s version of the Essendon supplements program. Leaving aside the anger and disbelief that he could try to spin it the way he has, Andrew’s take on what happened is hypocrisy on stilts.

Take his crocodile tears about Jobe Watson’s Brownlow. Sure, Andrew wasn’t there in 2016 when the AFL stripped the Brownlow from Jobe. (As an aside, what a hollow gesture that was from the AFL when the football world knows the 2012 is rightfully Jobe Watson’s.)

It was Andrew Demetriou, however, who set in train the events that led to the AFL decision to award Jobe’s Brownlow to the runner-ups.

It was he, back in 2005, who signed all Australian Rules players up to the WADA code.

Andrew Demetriou should have known that meant the fate of all players of our great game was to be placed in the hands of a foreign body not bound by Australian law. If he didn’t know that back in 2005 he was not up to the job as AFL CEO.

It was Andrew Demetriou’s job to know what the implications of WADA’s rules would be for Australian Rules footballers. But either he didn’t do his homework or he did not care. It took the fate of 34 Essendon footballers to expose the inherent unjust elements of the WADA system. For example, the 34 were tried twice for the same offence. Double jeopardy, as this is called, is not allowed under Australian law (nor is it allowed under European law). But the WADA Code actively encourages a second trial.

At the first trial, two Australian judges and a barrister, applying Australian legal principles found the 34 not guilty, stating in part the case against them lacked an evidentiary basis.

Put simply the players passed every drug test and there is no evidence the substance they were alleged to have taken, Thymosin Beta-4, ever reached Essendon.

But under the system Andrew Demetriou signed them up to WADA had them tried again at the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Here the rules of evidence, such as they were, were written by WADA and allowed WADA, as the prosecutor, to introduce ‘evidence’ that would not have been allowed in Australian Courts.

It’s all very well for Andrew Demetriou to say he felt ‘terribly for the players’. It was he, Andrew Demetriou who signed them up to a kangaroo court that expressly allowed athletes to be tried twice and disregarded proper rules of evidence.

And why wait until 2022 to speak up? The time to come out was 2016 when the AFL banned the 34 and stripped the Brownlow from Jobe. His voice may have had some weight then. But now six years on, and after his dealings with Crown Casino and Acquire Learning, the authority with which he speaks has depreciated somewhat.

Andrew Demetriou somehow wants to blame the ‘evil’ Gillard government for hoodwinking the AFL. Yet the evidence which the Herald Sun has published over the years suggests the AFL under him as CEO was an active player in what was done to Essendon. It was the AFL that went to ASADA and proposed a joint investigation so ASADA could use the AFL’s coercive powers; powers ASADA had been denied by the Australian parliament. It was the AFL that got David Evans to employ Liz Lukin so the AFL could manage Essendon.

Andrew Demetriou denies he tipped David Evans off that Essendon was in the frame. How does he then explain that as the storm was about to break David Evans ‘self-reported’?

David Evans had been the club chairman for a number of years. Why did he suddenly feel the need to ‘self-report’ immediately after Andrew Demetriou had been briefed? Perhaps David Evans may feel the need to tell his story now; after all we have not heard a peep from him since his sudden departure in 2013.

Andrew Demetriou claims what happened at Essendon was not ‘nice’ but gives no details. In fact, all we have had is stories planted in the media by the AFL; many of which have been discredited. While the Essendon supplements program may have been shambolic there is no evidence that indicates it was illegal or injurious.

After the joint ASADA/AFL investigation 34 Essendon players were charged with taking Thymosin Beta-4 a naturally occurring substance in humans. No other charges were laid against them. The players passed every drug test so the prosecution relied on hearsay and supposition. Two judges and a barrister correctly said the prosecution’s case lacked an evidentiary basis.

Back in 2013, the AFL, under Andrew Demetriou’s watch, put it about that the 2012 supplements program had endangered the players long-term health. Well ten years on and after regular medical check-ups no long-term health problems have emerged.

To conclude, it’s a bit rich for Andrew Demetriou now to say Jobe Watson and 33 other Essendon players were badly treated. Back in 2013 he set the ball rolling for what happened to them. And back in 2016, when he may have been able to make a difference, he remained silent. Thanks for the mea culpa Andrew but no thanks.

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One thing in his defence, I understand the Australian government said it would withhold sporting funds from any Australian sporting organisation that didn't sign up to it, so blackmailed really by the Feds.
By contrast the American NFL refused to sign up to it as they didnt have the same pressure. The Australian government has a lot to answer for.😡😡
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Rover99 wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 3:16 pm One thing in his defence, I understand the Australian government said it would withhold sporting funds from any Australian sporting organisation that didn't sign up to it, so blackmailed really by the Feds.
By contrast the American NFL refused to sign up to it as they didnt have the same pressure. The Australian government has a lot to answer for.😡😡
The Australian government is restricted as an inevitable consequence of it's membership of WADA.

The real issue is who thought it was a good idea to give money for the rebuild of Kardinia Park (AKA Pork Park) $14M in fed money in the 2007 budget, and a $130M commitment from the Gillard Government as part of its failed 2022 world cup bid in 2012 (later stumped up by that Bailleu Government)?

So federal funding of a ground that hosts 6 or 7 AFL games a year required the AFL to sign up to the ASADA/WADA code
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Club being rightfully smacked for being shit.

Sheedy, "Look over there everyone."


It's a diversion tactic to take heat off the board. Nothing more.
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boncer34 wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:38 am Club being rightfully smacked for being shit.

Sheedy, "Look over there everyone."


It's a diversion tactic to take heat off the board. Nothing more.
He didn't say much 10 years ago.
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s'dreams wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:53 pm
boncer34 wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:38 am Club being rightfully smacked for being shit.

Sheedy, "Look over there everyone."


It's a diversion tactic to take heat off the board. Nothing more.
He didn't say much 10 years ago.
Precisely.
Essendon Football Club- We arent arrogant, just deluded.
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